Remington has a long history of orphaning their cartridge creations when they sell below initial market projections. I believe this was the case with the 30AR, so if history is a guide, it won't be coming back.
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Will the 30 Remington AR ever return
With the election over and hopefully things returning to "normal" if there is such a thing now, I wonder if Remington will get off it's bum and start making the guns again, and brass ! What do you guys think, is it completely dead !
Joe
Joe
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Remington will probably come up with another good cartridge and screw that up too.
I wish they would but the proprietary nature of the case is problematic. It would be a good wildcat base but it's not to be I'm afraid.With the election over and hopefully things returning to "normal" if there is such a thing now, I wonder if Remington will get off it's bum and start making the guns again, and brass ! What do you guys think, is it completely dead !
Joe
Big Green has left a lot of cartridges hanging. The 30R, the 6.8 and the 17 Fireball have all been short changed. Of course Winchester did the same with the WSSM family.
Greg
No because its not TACTICOOLIO enough! And and...um uh...BECAUSE! That seems enough logic for :a13:com :a06:
Well I see some of them rifles at some local gun shops and they say they can get ammo for it...
All in all its a great cartridge for the AR platform. Wilson Combat had hopes for it, H I think liked it but...
Well stated as earlier Remington dropped to barely alive as it seems to be on life support.
People who use it that I know of use it for specifically for beer season...er Deer season, but around here there aren't lots of things to shoot so most shooting is done during a limited time of the year during the "Big game" seasons so those who use them rifles don't need much ammo as they use them to slay them Horrendous Herbivores that EAT ALIVE the poor life forms that give us life sustaining oxygen! Aka. Deer. So all they need is just a box or two for a few years between seasons.
Well I see some of them rifles at some local gun shops and they say they can get ammo for it...
All in all its a great cartridge for the AR platform. Wilson Combat had hopes for it, H I think liked it but...
Well stated as earlier Remington dropped to barely alive as it seems to be on life support.
People who use it that I know of use it for specifically for beer season...er Deer season, but around here there aren't lots of things to shoot so most shooting is done during a limited time of the year during the "Big game" seasons so those who use them rifles don't need much ammo as they use them to slay them Horrendous Herbivores that EAT ALIVE the poor life forms that give us life sustaining oxygen! Aka. Deer. So all they need is just a box or two for a few years between seasons.
Lets not forget the 280, or was it a 7mm Express Remeington, and back to a 280 again ! What do they say, hindsight is 20/20, so you can see the mistakes made they in the past, but to have not learned from them is what gets me. Is the same team that screwed up the 280 or 6mm Rem still making decisions ! They must be kind of old by now but maybe ! All they would have had to do is to make the brass available. Handloaders would have taken it from there. A good argument could be made that handloaders saved the 280 ! Think about it, if it wasn't for the other manufactures making loaded ammo and brass available, we would not be here on the 6.8 forums.I wish they would but the proprietary nature of the case is problematic. It would be a good wildcat base but it's not to be I'm afraid.
Big Green has left a lot of cartridges hanging. The 30R, the 6.8 and the 17 Fireball have all been short changed. Of course Winchester did the same with the WSSM family.
Greg
With that said, maybe they will see the light and bring it back out with a cool new name; maybe the 300 Remington Ultra AR ! I think the Blackout fad will die out once users figure out it's not nearly as effective a hunting caliber. It still has it's "tacticool" factor for now, and I'm sure it's fun to shoot.
Thanks, Joe
Yeah I was being brief for once. Decades of doing this do give one a unique perspective.
Greg
Greg
I always thought it necked down to 25 cal would be a sweet deer hunting round. Not sure if it would be better than a 25x6.8? But I was thinking 250 savage ackleyish?
It would be a ballistic toss up down range at a guess. I haven't run the numbers but the extra case capacity is always a good thing but bolt thrust might slow it down somewhat.I always thought it necked down to 25 cal would be a sweet deer hunting round. Not sure if it would be better than a 25x6.8? But I was thinking 250 savage ackleyish?
Greg
No. it lost out to the 30-30 a century ago. They have all their dice in the 300 BO camp. Follow history and you will notice most ammo and gun manufacturers pick one round per caliber to push. Smart business move in my opinion.
For any of you guys who lament the demise of the .30 RAR, you should check out the .30 Sabercat being developed by Bruce Finnegan, who has a growing list of wildcats that are pushing the envelope of AR performance. The Sabercat looks like it will exceed the performance of the .30 RAR, and uses readily available brass to form the case.
You can find out about it at https://www.facebook.com/groups/766333240175235/.
You can find out about it at https://www.facebook.com/groups/766333240175235/.
Can you send a link that doesn't require a facebook login ? I don't have one and have no plans to.For any of you guys who lament the demise of the .30 RAR, you should check out the .30 Sabercat being developed by Bruce Finnegan, who has a growing list of wildcats that are pushing the envelope of AR performance. The Sabercat looks like it will exceed the performance of the .30 RAR, and uses readily available brass to form the case.
You can find out about it at https://www.facebook.com/groups/766333240175235/.
Thanks, Joe
Well, I didn't want to step on any toes by mentioning another forum on this one, but here goes.Can you send a link that doesn't require a facebook login ? I don't have one and have no plans to.
Thanks, Joe
<mdws.forumchitchat.com> That's the Modern Sporting Rifle Evolution forum. All things wildcat, including load data, and the home of the .277 Wolverine, and host to Bruce Finnegan's 'cats.
thanks,JoeWell, I didn't want to step on any toes by mentioning another forum on this one, but here goes.
<mdws.forumchitchat.com> That's the Modern Sporting Rifle Evolution forum. All things wildcat, including load data, and the home of the .277 Wolverine, and host to Bruce Finnegan's 'cats.
I need to stay away from wildcats. For some reason or another, wildcatting is a secret obsession of mine. If I had more money I would probably be divorced as I would be dropping money into getting into wildcat cartridges. Then if I had the knowledge and resource I would make up some of my own lol.Well, I didn't want to step on any toes by mentioning another forum on this one, but here goes.
<mdws.forumchitchat.com> That's the Modern Sporting Rifle Evolution forum. All things wildcat, including load data, and the home of the .277 Wolverine, and host to Bruce Finnegan's 'cats.
You can certainly get into using a wildcat without having to design it yourself, and frankly, unless you have a LOT of experience with that sort of thing it isn't something I would recommend unless you are truly committed. Bruce Finnegan is obsessed with wildcatting and has the knowledge to do it right. He has a whole line of superb 'cats from .22 up to .458 caliber based on .473" case head diameter. You can check those out at mdws.forumchitchat.com.I need to stay away from wildcats. For some reason or another, wildcatting is a secret obsession of mine. If I had more money I would probably be divorced as I would be dropping money into getting into wildcat cartridges. Then if I had the knowledge and resource I would make up some of my own lol.
As far as cost goes, if you're building your own AR, the barrel is going to be about the same as a standard caliber. The only place that entails higher cost is the dies. But, in most cases you can get away with just the custom sizing die. The Hornady universal caliber specific seaters are readily available. Depending on which 'cat you pick, brass may be more expensive but some of them use cheap readily available 7.62 LC brass, and Bruce is always looking for less expensive ways to get good brass. Other than that, there are minor differences in cost for components that you would expect based on caliber.
For max performance the king is the 7mm Valkyrie. It is crowding the 7mm-08 factory loads in the AR-15 format. For heavy game, the new .358 Yeti provides near .35 Whelen performance, and uses LC brass. The newest one, still in early development, is the .30 Sabercat, which looks to be exceeding the performance of the .30 Rem AR, with inexpensive LC brass.
Bottom line is that if you have a wildcat itch, you can scratch it quite easily, and relatively inexpensively, without having to design your own.
Oh yea, I would tap into the help from a few people after reading through the mdws forums lol. But I have an idea or two I might run by a few folks. If for anything just to have my one one off caliber lol.You can certainly get into using a wildcat without having to design it yourself, and frankly, unless you have a LOT of experience with that sort of thing it isn't something I would recommend unless you are truly committed. Bruce Finnegan is obsessed with wildcatting and has the knowledge to do it right. He has a whole line of superb 'cats from .22 up to .458 caliber based on .473" case head diameter. You can check those out at mdws.forumchitchat.com.
As far as cost goes, if you're building your own AR, the barrel is going to be about the same as a standard caliber. The only place that entails higher cost is the dies. But, in most cases you can get away with just the custom sizing die. The Hornady universal caliber specific seaters are readily available. Depending on which 'cat you pick, brass may be more expensive but some of them use cheap readily available 7.62 LC brass, and Bruce is always looking for less expensive ways to get good brass. Other than that, there are minor differences in cost for components that you would expect based on caliber.
For max performance the king is the 7mm Valkyrie. It is crowding the 7mm-08 factory loads in the AR-15 format. For heavy game, the new .358 Yeti provides near .35 Whelen performance, and uses LC brass. The newest one, still in early development, is the .30 Sabercat, which looks to be exceeding the performance of the .30 Rem AR, with inexpensive LC brass.
Bottom line is that if you have a wildcat itch, you can scratch it quite easily, and relatively inexpensively, without having to design your own.
All the idle chit-chat aside away from your question on 30 RAR I have the following to share:With the election over and hopefully things returning to "normal" if there is such a thing now, I wonder if Remington will get off it's bum and start making the guns again, and brass ! What do you guys think, is it completely dead !
Joe
About 2 1/2 years ago I dove in head first on 30 RAR , made phone calls to Big Green and received assurances that I'd get to Test & Evaluate a rifle and that brass was in the next years run list.
2 1/2 years and a SHOT show appearance later I can tell you that no rifle was sent and no brass was turned out and the best idea that I can wrap my mind around as to why 30 RAR isn't going anywhere is this:
Every 30 RAR sold is one less DPMS G2 sold
ya see 30 RAR was conceived a full year or two ahead of the 7lb G2 gun and once that made it to market there is no more room nor love for that idea.
as best I can remember in the 2 1/2 year period the guns have come out through Wholesale Hunter and other vendors in a few hundred numbers and that's it.
i will say the brass doesn't hold up real well after 3-5 loadings (primer pockets get loose) so the longevity of the current brass stock is questionable to me.
i still think the caliber is THE BEST value for the dollar in semi auto shooting vs performance but I don't see a future without more brass...
All the idle chit-chat aside away from your question on 30 RAR I have the following to share:
i still think the caliber is THE BEST value for the dollar in semi auto shooting vs performance but I don't see a future without more brass...
That's it in a nutshell, NO BRASS !
If there would have been brass, handloaders would have kept it alive and other manufactures may have jumped aboard, but we also had sandyhook and all that.
I might just have to build another upper in one of the above wildcats, they look great !
Thanks, for the rant !
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