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i've been in the VA system for a few years now, other than massive crowds at the hospital i really have no complaints. here in OKC we have several smaller clinics where you see your primary care physician, if you have an appointment and arrive early they'll see you early.

my primary care physician saw something in my blood work that alarmed him, he made the referral to the hospital, which initially was a nightmare experience. ends up i had service connected Hep C, i'm deaf as a stump, and 50 years after the fact i'm 50% disabled due to PTSD, 50 years later and still at 50%, heck i must have been a raving lunatic at release from active duty. LOL in hindsight i was a raving lunatic, but PTSD hadn't been invented yet.

anyway treatment for the Hep C laid me low for almost 2 years, they assigned me a PA who had been deployed to afganistan and iraq. she is great, they gave me almost $300,000 in meds and last check up i still had no active virus in my system. cured, but i think it's back again. i gave the PA who treated me a challenge coin which made her an honorary member of the old farts battalion, says that on the coin, 1st MARDIV emblem with the Reaper on the reverse, but i should have a 3rd MARDIV coin as well, cause when we first arrived in country we were 3rd FMF, about a year and a half later they made us 1st FMF, so yes to any new Corps guys, i was in the Fleet. 2 of em LOL

all those years (after PTSD was named) my family and friends told me to talk to them about it, i declined with the rational of "the mid-east troops are hurt much worse than i ever was and i don't want to take services from them to treat me" .... i finally wised up and owned what i am. i use some time from the doctors, and once a month i get a deposit in my account for "paper" dollars to use however i wish. so my advice to any service member who's been putting it off cause they don't believe they deserve anything, get over it and with the program, it's only paper that folks will trade you real assets for.

the final compelling event was when i asked myself, "self, where were these people when you were getting paid (with combat pay as an E5) the princely sum of $310 a month to get shot at?"

what are your experiences with the VA system? mine have been mostly good to some excellent
 

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It took me years to finally convince the morons that I was not KIA.

It is not the quality of care, it is the bureaucratic nightmare that has been created that is the single evil aspect of the VA, a good 60% of the admin staff should be fired for incompetence and outright negligence.
 

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It took me years to finally convince the morons that I was not KIA.

It is not the quality of care, it is the bureaucratic nightmare that has been created that is the single evil aspect of the VA, a good 60% of the admin staff should be fired for incompetence and outright negligence.
It's because being a protected class and/or government job means they aren't going anywhere no matter how unprofessional they are. The attitude of the clerks is what's abhorrent to me. I have zero problems the the professional staff.
 

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yeah, but you have to see 20 clerks before you can see a nurse or dr, and stand in line to get the ok to stand in another line LOL
 

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I worked at the Bay Pines VA for a couple of years. What an eye opener.

And I'll state that as a veteran myself, I find the VA Secretary's recent Disney comments to be incredibly tone deaf. Of course, he should have been terminated when he lied about being in Special Forces.
 

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yeah, but you have to see 20 clerks before you can see a nurse or dr, and stand in line to get the ok to stand in another line LOL
That's why it sucks. However, I take it as it is; a service that no one owes us. I don't always have bad luck either. I went last Sunday to the ER and was in an out in a little over an hour for a severe poison sumac reaction. I'm not sure if it was due to restructuring or not many patients, but I was impressed.

I also understand how some of the staff develop attitudes. Let's be honest and admit that some of our fellow vets are cantankerous folks. For some reason I don't know, it's usually a Vietnam vet giving them grief.
 

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i am a VietNam vet, i have 5 awards of the VietNam Service Medal. we got used to being treated like sh!t years ago and expect nothing better from anyone now. your comment offends the living sh!t out of me, but i'll simply walk away as i have many times at the VA
 

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It has been my observation that the Docs, PAs and nursing staff are great. It is mostly the desk jockeys who are the problem. They don't seem to give a damn and many of them don't know how to do their job and don't care. They know there is very little chance of ever getting fired. As for restructuring? What a joke. It has gone from mediocre to pathetic in the last 7 years. I know that some hospitals are better than others but the one I use is just sad and being disabled I don't have a lot of choices. I can use medicare and pay the deductibles, which I sometimes do since they can't seem to get me in to the VA in any reasonable amount of time and it is a 2 hour drive to the nearest hospital so sometimes it is just easier to deal with the local doctors.
 

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It has been my observation that the Docs, PAs and nursing staff are great. It is mostly the desk jockeys who are the problem. They don't seem to give a damn and many of them don't know how to do their job and don't care. They know there is very little chance of ever getting fired. As for restructuring? What a joke. It has gone from mediocre to pathetic in the last 7 years. I know that some hospitals are better than others but the one I use is just sad and being disabled I don't have a lot of choices. I can use medicare and pay the deductibles, which I sometimes do since they can't seem to get me in to the VA in any reasonable amount of time and it is a 2 hour drive to the nearest hospital so sometimes it is just easier to deal with the local doctors.
that is my experience as well. before they had the card readers to check in you had to see a clerk who input data into the system, one day the line was 40 people long at a minimum, i finally got to the front and the girl doing the data input had a nub of a thumb and a little finger on her left hand, and a thumb nub on the right. she could type about 1 word a minute, now i know she needs work, but hells bells give her something she can do, not patient check in.

my primary care physician is a hoot, he's chinese and i can barely understand 1 word in 5. he told me once, "in my country, old sick people like you we send home to die" LOL he always asks me if i want a "digital rectal exam", i always answer, "no, do you" . he always answers in the negative and i say, "good, we're on the same page then" then leave
 

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that is my experience as well. before they had the card readers to check in you had to see a clerk who input data into the system, one day the line was 40 people long at a minimum, i finally got to the front and the girl doing the data input had a nub of a thumb and a little finger on her left hand, and a thumb nub on the right. she could type about 1 word a minute, now i know she needs work, but hells bells give her something she can do, not patient check in.

my primary care physician is a hoot, he's chinese and i can barely understand 1 word in 5. he told me once, "in my country, old sick people like you we send home to die" LOL he always asks me if i want a "digital rectal exam", i always answer, "no, do you" . he always answers in the negative and i say, "good, we're on the same page then" then leave
Primary Care Physicians have it rough around here. Mine told me how many patients were assigned to her and I just about fell out of my chair. I don't remember the exact number but it was several thousand. The clinic here in town will not see you for anything without an appointment and they don't offer any services but Primary care and bloodwork. They don't even have any xray equipment. The one my dad was going to in Arkansas would take walk ins. Not here. They have a big sign that says: Do not come here without an appointment. You will not be seen. If it is an emergency go to the local hospital or drive to Augusta (2 hrs). I have torn rotator cuff in both shoulders and it took over a year to get through all the nonsense and I still haven't seen an orthopedic surgeon yet. They finally got me into the veterans choice program and I will be seeing a local Orthopedic surgeon a week from tomorrow.
 

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That's why it sucks. However, I take it as it is; a service that no one owes us. I don't always have bad luck either. I went last Sunday to the ER and was in an out in a little over an hour for a severe poison sumac reaction. I'm not sure if it was due to restructuring or not many patients, but I was impressed.

I also understand how some of the staff develop attitudes. Let's be honest and admit that some of our fellow vets are cantankerous folks. For some reason I don't know, it's usually a Vietnam vet giving them grief.
Not to worry, in another couple decades or so most of us VN Vets will be dead and you can have the fu*king line all to yourself!
 

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i am a VietNam vet, i have 5 awards of the VietNam Service Medal. we got used to being treated like sh!t years ago and expect nothing better from anyone now. your comment offends the living sh!t out of me, but i'll simply walk away as i have many times at the VA
You're choosing to get offended about something not even directed at you. It's a truthful observation by me. I've learned that a grown man should never state "I'm offended". We are discussing how the VA operates after all. It's prudent to look at it from all angles which is exactly what I did. It's not exactly something that is far fetched since there's a whole lot of VN vets at the VA and they are getting older. The stats show here in TX they're pretty much tied with Gulf War vets for being in the system. Like I pointed out already though, their age makes them more likely to be using the services. WW2 and Korean vets don't come close. I don't operate on personal bias.

I don't get upset when someone makes a observation about OIF/OEF vets they encounter. It's their experience so who am I to get mad? If it doesn't apply then I go about my business and respect their experience.
 

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my being offended bothers you, and you denigrate me for using it. i should have just said this, "you're a certified moron and you p!ss me off no end" i wish there was an ignore button here so i would no longer have to see your drivel. and i seriously doubt you're anywhere near truthful.
 

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my being offended bothers you, and you denigrate me for using it. i should have just said this, "you're a certified moron and you p!ss me off no end" i wish there was an ignore button here so i would no longer have to see your drivel. and i seriously doubt you're anywhere near truthful.
Doesn't bother me in the least because I can't grasp why someone would care about something that doesn't pertain to them (if it doesn't). We're talking about the downfalls of the VA and I'm perfectly willing to see all sides. My experiences are truthful. Me saying that my experiences with attitudes usually come from one group isn't an assumption all are like that. You're making that leap which has you bent out of shape and what people looking to be a victim do. This is simple logic. If you can't grasp that, then there's a disconnect we will never be able to overcome. That's on you, not me.

More than once I have had to tell one of your fellow generation to calm the eff down when they've launched into a tirade or denigrated a clerk. I've done it to vets of my peer group too, but it's been way less. Never had to do it to a WW2 or Korean vet because A: it's way less common to see them B: they don't really get agitated that much. They don't get a free pass from me because I've seen just as bad stuff as they have. If you can't control your emotions you shouldn't be in public. I even had one darn near try to have a standoff with me because he thought I was cutting in the pharmacy line when really I went up to the window set aside for mailing prescriptions.
 

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just a few for the VA I started in the system in1998 almost thirty tears after leaving the military just did not want the hassle but in 98 a severe ear infection got my attention the mater was taken care of and my great journey with in the system began now I am 100 + % from a plethora of stuff bullet wounds, a couple TBIs, the human boy does not respond well to sudden stops while hung from a parachute or explosions under a truck you are a passenger in. broken leg ankle and several other items.I am a Vietnam vet and do not see any one in the system as a bring down well maybe the guy I saw in the mental unit in a bunny suit take was a bit strange ( them made me go to this zoo because I mentioned the magic word suicide and how it was non productive but they said go or lose ) I have seen about every form of distrust of the vets, there suppose to be serving and the entire system is filled with personal that nned to be removed from there jobs and never given a federal job again but that's just my opinion
 

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HR 1259 the VA Accountability First Act of 2017 just passed it's first hurdle. It takes away the non discipline of VA employees.
 

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There were several guys (VA employees) I knew in Florida who had been bounced around from VA to VA or department to department because they were a pain in the butt. Hopefully some of those people can get appropriately disciplined.
 

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My experiences with the VA in central KY area have been excellent. My only negative observations were the administration staff sitting around not doing much. I've run my own company for 20 years now and can't imagine the payroll that is being wasted. They need to clean that up and hire more doctors.
 
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