This is nothing new, UPS has had a company policy of stealing customer’s property for years. I wonder if UPS is doing this because the NRA is no longer interested in protecting 2A?

 

Yeah I'm calling bull shxt

 

I hope you're right. Here's the letter they reportedly sent to Ghost Guns.

 

I guess it's possible they could be getting ramped up to get ahead of the upcoming ATF regulation, Definition of Frame or Receiver and Identification of Firearms, that goes into effect Aug 24, 2022.

But you would think they'd notify companies about the upcoming change instead of threatening to destroy customer merchandise that's been shipped before the regs even go into affect.



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I guess it's possible they could be getting ramped up to get ahead of the upcoming ATF regulation, Definition of Frame or Receiver and Identification of Firearms, that goes into effect Aug 24, 2022.

But you would think they'd notify companies about the upcoming change instead of threatening to destroy customer merchandise that's been shipped before the regs even go into affect.



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That new Rule, as it is a rule and not a law passed by congress only states that if an FFL takes in the unmarked gun to work on or buy or sell then the FFL is required to put a serial number on it. I spent about 4 hours watching a video conference explaining it all and it really boiled down to a big nothing. UPS has no place trying to enforce laws anyway and the owner of Ghost Guns needs to hire a lawyer, period.

 

Simple fix. DON'T ship UPS. Problem solved.

 

Yeah but who's next? AFAIK all those companies suck when it comes to 2A.

 

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There is power in numbers. Remember math isn't racist, but it just might be conservative...

The 'Red Wave' Has Begun: More Than 1 Million Voters Across 43 States Switch to Republican

In advance of this November's midterm congressional elections, a political shift is already being felt across the country as hundreds of thousands of voters who helped fuel the Democratic Party's gains in recent years are becoming Republicans.

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Fedex just won my business and UPS just lost it. I will be letting them know. I suggest everybody write UPS and explain the math to them.

 

If ups does seize & destroy those items, wouldn't it be considered theft since those parts are not illegal? They're opening themselves up to lawsuits if they do that.

 

I don't believe this.

 

sounds more like an aim at 80% receivers

 

Not to over-parse that too much, but, eh, isn't it already illegal for an FFL dealer or manufacturer to sell/ship a "ghost gun"? Meaning they can't sell a fully-machined firearm that lacks a serial number? A dealer can sell an 80%, which technically isn't a "ghost gun" yet, or a dealer can sell a 100% which will never be a "ghost gun". Unless this Ghost Firearms place is shipping 80%'ers to states where even 80%'ers are illegal.

This sort of seems like one of those Facebook things that's designed to get folks riled up. That, or we're missing a WHOLE LOT of background context.

 

AFAIK it is illegal for anyone to ship a fully machined firearm or receiver that is not serialized. With the new rule, an FFL is required to add a serial number to any finished receiver if he takes it in for repair or any reason that would require him to log it in. In other words, if you brought it to me and I had to keep it over night, it would have serial number when you got it back. Same day repairs it is not required.

 

Probable driver behind new UPS stance on shipping gun parts:

Senators' Letter Blaming Carriers for Spread of 'Gun Violence' Likely Prompted UPS Service Cut-Off - The Truth About Guns

By Lee Williams Five Democratic Senators recently sent ominous letters to United Parcel Service and 27 other carriers, blaming them for escalating violent crime rates. “We are concerned that lax shipping security measures are contributing to the epidemic of gun violence in this country by...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

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And how does UPS know what you're shipping if you don't tell them?
Got a 6 foot long custom built box from "USPS" and NO ONE asked what was in it.
(fresh built Flintlock Fowler all the way from Ohio)

 

And how does UPS know what you're shipping if you don't tell them?
Got a 6 foot long custom built box from "USPS" and NO ONE asked what was in it.
(fresh built Flintlock Fowler all the way from Ohio)

So places would just need to "plain box" 80% stuff... and leave the "return addy" as generic as you can.

Simple fix. DON'T ship UPS. Problem solved.

Basically

 

If I ship a firearm UPS it asks me what I am shipping. If I put Rifle it say that it is restricted item but if I put Winchester Model 70 it takes it no problem. Being a dealer I am not sure why it would be restricted anyway but that is the way UPS.com is set up when you try to print a label.

 

UPS is in violation of several of our civil rights. UPS is violating our right to firearms and illegal search and seizure. Because nothing is being shipped that is illegal, it is the same thing as UPS saying, “You did not vote Democrat therefore we are seizing your property and canceling your accounts”.

 

There may be unintended results to UPS's new regulations. The goal is to reduce 80% stuff but will affect "legal" shipments as well.

 

My hope is it results in layoffs from Patriots refusing to use them. Of course I hope for the same for Fox News.

 

Spoke to my UPS delivery guy. To his knowledge UPS isn't enforcing the anti-gun policy yet...

 

Update to this...UPS issues new official policy for shipment of firearms and parts.

According to the 2022 UPS Tariff/Terms & Conditions of Service, which went into effect Monday, only licensed dealers, importers, manufacturers and collectors may ship firearms or firearm products or parts via UPS.

UPS Institutes Strict New Rules for Shipping Firearms After Pressure From Anti-Gun Senators - The Truth About Guns

By Lee Williams UPS has released strict new rules for shipping firearms just months after cancelling some gun dealers accounts and destroying packages in transit. The new rules came in response to a letter sent by five anti-gun senators, who blamed UPS and 27 other carriers for escalating...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

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Update to this...UPS issues new official policy for shipment of firearms and parts.

According to the 2022 UPS Tariff/Terms & Conditions of Service, which went into effect Monday, only licensed dealers, importers, manufacturers and collectors may ship firearms or firearm products or parts via UPS.

UPS Institutes Strict New Rules for Shipping Firearms After Pressure From Anti-Gun Senators - The Truth About Guns

By Lee Williams UPS has released strict new rules for shipping firearms just months after cancelling some gun dealers accounts and destroying packages in transit. The new rules came in response to a letter sent by five anti-gun senators, who blamed UPS and 27 other carriers for escalating...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

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I used to be a firearms collector. Unfortunately, I had a terrible boating accident and my entire collection was lost. I'm very sad about it. There's only one thing to do ... I should go buy a gun.

 

"only licensed dealers, importers, manufacturers and collectors may ship firearms or firearm products or parts via UPS"

Lots of problems for private citizens. No more shipping firearms back to the manufacturer for warranty repairs using UPS if you need to. No more using ups to ship holsters, grips, stocks, bolts, charging handles etc for private party sale as those are all firearm products or parts.

The only option for now is using another carrier unless the industry follows the lead of UPS

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"only licensed dealers, importers, manufacturers and collectors may ship firearms or firearm products or parts via UPS"

Lots of problems for private citizens. No more shipping firearms back to the manufacturer for warranty repairs using UPS if you need to. No more using ups to ship holsters, grips, stocks, bolts, charging handles etc for private party sale as those are all firearm products or parts.

The only option for now is using another carrier unless the industry follows the lead of UPS

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If the manufacturer sends you a shipping label to return it to them then technically, they are shipping it via UPS and not you.

 

Update on UPS shipping policy.

New UPS Policy Requires Unlimited Access to Firearms Shipper's Books

UPS now requires gun companies to turn over customer data and must allow UPS access to review and examine the shipper's books and records.

www.ammoland.com

Excerpts from the article:

The new shipping requirements require gun companies to turn over customer data and must allow UPS access to review and examine the shipper’s books and records relevant to the products being shipped upon request. The shipper must also provide UPS with invoices for any firearms-related products.

Most disturbing is that UPS has sole and unlimited discretion over what documents they can require the shippers to turn over. This new policy gives UPS the unlimited power and discretion to examine and review any customer documents related to firearms sales.

UPS doesn’t tell customers whether the shipping company will keep customer information secure. The new UPS policy grants itself sole discretion to decide what it can examine and do with the data. Most customers do not want their private information given to anyone, especially a company that has made several recent anti-gun moves, including threatening to seize legal gun parts from one Florida seller.

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Update on UPS shipping policy.

New UPS Policy Requires Unlimited Access to Firearms Shipper's Books

UPS now requires gun companies to turn over customer data and must allow UPS access to review and examine the shipper's books and records.

www.ammoland.com

Excerpts from the article:

The new shipping requirements require gun companies to turn over customer data and must allow UPS access to review and examine the shipper’s books and records relevant to the products being shipped upon request. The shipper must also provide UPS with invoices for any firearms-related products.

Most disturbing is that UPS has sole and unlimited discretion over what documents they can require the shippers to turn over. This new policy gives UPS the unlimited power and discretion to examine and review any customer documents related to firearms sales.

UPS doesn’t tell customers whether the shipping company will keep customer information secure. The new UPS policy grants itself sole discretion to decide what it can examine and do with the data. Most customers do not want their private information given to anyone, especially a company that has made several recent anti-gun moves, including threatening to seize legal gun parts from one Florida seller.

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I don't believe a word of that but then I don't believe much of what ammoland.com has to say. True UPS no longer accepts shipments from non licensed individuals but that is about as far as the new policy goes and I just read it yesterday on their website.

 

I’ll tell my experience from a couple of weeks ago. I was sending a muzzle loader rifle stock to a guy that had bought it online. Naturally it’s in a flat box that looks like a rifle box. I walked in the door at the local ups hub and the lady behind the counter asked if it was a gun. I said no it was a gun stock for a mz rifle. She said they couldn’t accept any gun parts or guns. I said it was just a plastic stock, not a gun. She said no. I argued a little more and she said she’d call the manager. Mgr said no so I left. Went to fed ex, they didn’t even ask what was in the box. FedEx has gained a new customer.

 

Similar here.

Bought a used rifle barrel on Ebay, delivered via UPS. Quick look with the borescope and contacted the seller as bore was rusted.

Using the same box to return, UPS "NOPE, we don't ship guns or gun parts." Me, "It was delivered via UPS." UPS, "We dont ship gun parts."

USPS "What is the value?" no other questions. I volunteered "rifle barrel", didn't matter. Cost less too.

 

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It's a reflection of the crazy upside down world we live in. Libs want legalized drugs but want the second amendment done away with. These views are carried over to the policies of these companies owned and run by liberal boards and CEOs.

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