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The commercial 85's are still supposed to get 3000 fps from a 16" barrel. I've tested the TSX at around 2670 into ballistics gel (out of an 8.5" barrel) and it still penetrated to 19", retained 100% weight, and expanded to .585 inches. It's supposed to expand to around 2100 fps so it should still give you a decent effective range for hunting. Check the JBM ballistics trajectory for the numbers.

I edited the post so that people don't think I have access to a uranium depleted hyper sonic death round.
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