[constructor]

No I know it's not dead but the Grendel horde would like everyone to think it is.
Keeping the 6.8 alive and in the news makes it better for everyone that owns a 6.8, it leads to available product.

I haven't had time to cruise the forums and youtube for 10 years, I've just been too busy making parts to fight the misinformation. The Grendel boys make a team effort to seek out every post and video and insert wrong info about the 6.8 and insert their BS to make the Grendel look good. It is just like mainstream news. Paul Scott/LRRpfft comments on every 6.8 youtube video made in order to make the 6.8 look worse, he likes to use pretty charts and drop names to make himself believable. There are several others doing it under different names and I can't trace them back to the Grendel forum to make a name connection.
Anyway if you want to help keep the 6.8 alive, when you are bored look on other forums and youtube searching 6.8 and make a quick comment about how it performs. You don't need to argue with LRRPFFT and the others, I'll do that.
The biggest mistake everyone makes is comparing velocity. Hornady's website shows the velocity of both plain as day. The 123gr SST Grendel hits 2580 fps out of a 24" barrel while a 120gr 6.8 SST hits 2460 out of a 16" barrel so when shot from the same length barrel the 6.8 is 80fps faster. Now ol LRRPFFT will say "no I talked to Hornady and they made a mistake on the tested barrel length" to try to cover but it isn't true the test lengths shown are correct and those are the velocities that consumers will get when shot from those length barrels.
If you care just make quick comment, they will add up.

 

["Follow Me!"]

I have a chronograph and Hornday factory 120ssts clocked 2490~ my reloads are 2460 to 2500~ with the 120 sst out of my ARP 16". Military arms channel just recently post a video on the 6.8 spc and how he thought it would have been the better military cartridge.. You are right too its a 6.8 spc video and a crap load of Grendel boys couldn't waite to knock it! I'm running the original bolt in my 6.8 from 2014 don't know how many round I have through it but they are higher pressure loads and she is still going strong. I have an Uncle that is a Grendel fan. I've shot his and its nice funny thing is he has broken a bolt and a few extractors. He carries a plano box with extra parts I had to chuckle a little because I thought the bolt thing was internet hype...guess not.

Other then my beloved 40 s&w I have never seen a cartridge crapped on as much as the 6.8 spc. So many hate on it and I don't get it. 300 yards and under which is my max hunting range anyways I've never been left wanting with my 6.8. Everyone wants to be a sniper nowadays.....I prefer getting in close. I'm a still hunter/tracker most of my shots are under 100 yards in the woods shooting standing off hand unsupported on bucks that are standing or moving and this rifle is just perfect for the job.

 

[dfleury]

I comment on every YouTube I find and mention exactly what you said about the velocity and barrel length. There's always some Grendel fan boy that then says it doesn't matter because of the grendels higher bc. It doesn't help when large company's like Brownells post videos comparing the 2 and claim the Grendel is faster based on Hornady numbers but never mention barrel length. I try to post as many video and gel tests as I can to show how awesome the 6.8 is. Next time I hit the 1000 yard range, I'll make a video stretching out the 6.8 just to make some 6.5 fan boys cry. I just posted this video today of a gel test I just did with the 90 grain hammer hunter.

 

[Scottfromdallas]

No one cares about the Grendel anymore, they all moved on to the 6mm ARC. There will always be some new AR round that claims superiority. I was told the 300 Hamr kills better than the 308 Winchester.

 

[Salty Dawg]

I do my part, I have taken 100's pf hogs with your barrels constructor, and personally can't stand a grendal or 300 BO.

 

[greentick]

Always get questions at the range when I'm shooting the 12.5ARP SBR. Usually get some raised eyebrows. I actually had someone say a 300bo would blow a deers head off! I asked "really? Like a 50cal? You saw it?" "Uhhh no." Lol

 

[amprecon]

If their 6.5g is so great and they're satisfied with it, why bother downplaying another cartridge.....unless it threatens their popularity. I chose 6.8 even though 6.5g was available, I had no ill will towards the 6.5g and never spent any time researching it's pro's and con's after I made my choice. I didn't choose the 6.5g and was satisfied with my 6.8 choice so I had no reason to nitpick the 6.5g. But for some reason, 6.5g fans feel compelled to point out their choice as superior, must be an inferiority complex. But this is the new age we live in, say what we say, do what we do, act like we act, like what we like, dislike what we dislike, etc., etc. or your a fascist pig and must be re-educated! Complete mental disorder.

 

[amprecon]

I have to add, I have only two AR's, both are 6.8 spcII and one is going with me to do some hog huntin' this weekend. We'll see if I made a poor choice or not if the opportunity presents itself. I'll be using some SSA 110gr. sp tactical loads. I have an ARP 16" 5R 1:11.25 twist barrel which has been exceptionally accurate.

 

["Follow Me!"]

I'm getting ready to build my 4th 6.8 spc with Arp barrels. I put one together for myself one for my father one for a friend and now one for my wife. Everyone has been happy with them. I'll probably build a 5th for my son down the road.

 

[constructor]

I comment on every YouTube I find and mention exactly what you said about the velocity and barrel length. There's always some Grendel fan boy that then says it doesn't matter because of the grendels higher bc. It doesn't help when large company's like Brownells post videos comparing the 2 and claim the Grendel is faster based on Hornady numbers but never mention barrel length. I try to post as many video and gel tests as I can to show how awesome the 6.8 is. Next time I hit the 1000 yard range, I'll make a video stretching out the 6.8 just to make some 6.5 fan boys cry. I just posted this video today of a gel test I just did with the 90 grain hammer hunter.

I see your replies, glad you are out there.

 

[constructor]

If their 6.5g is so great and they're satisfied with it, why bother downplaying another cartridge.....unless it threatens their popularity. I chose 6.8 even though 6.5g was available, I had no ill will towards the 6.5g and never spent any time researching it's pro's and con's after I made my choice. I didn't choose the 6.5g and was satisfied with my 6.8 choice so I had no reason to nitpick the 6.5g. But for some reason, 6.5g fans feel compelled to point out their choice as superior, must be an inferiority complex. But this is the new age we live in, say what we say, do what we do, act like we act, like what we like, dislike what we dislike, etc., etc. or your a fascist pig and must be re-educated! Complete mental disorder.

They felt threatened by the 6.8 and the military looking at it. The first time I ever strayed onto barfcom 2006 they had already started the misinformation campaign. In the beginning they swore up and down it beat the 308 at all ranges. My argument was that they always used the best Lapua match bullet to compare to a m118 load for trajectory then when it came time to shoot through glass they changed to a 144gr bullet going slow to compare to a 147gr 308 bullet going 500fps faster. I always said apples to apples test the same weight bullets and the same length barrels and the Grendel doesn't beat the 308 at any range.
That horde is just like democrats, they'll believe any lie started by the horde then stick their fingers in their ears, close their eyes and chant Na, na, na, na when someone presents facts they don't want to hear. That was the whole reason Cold started this forum.
I forgot about them going to midway and clicking on "6.5 Grendel" ammo over and over to make it the #1 searched ammo.

 

[Nativeman30]

Ive had several conversations with guys at the range that own 6.5 Grendels. Funny thing is I never see them shooting it. Where as I have seen several shooting 6.8. If ammo was more readily available for SPC II loadings it would be a no brainer for most people. Yet as someone mentioned above its all about being a paper sniper now. I honestly have not seen any 6.5 Grendel ammo around here. but I can go pick up 2 to 3 types of 6.8 within 10 miles of my house.

 

[constructor]

WOA has made an announcement-

UPDATE: We have no plans to introduce a 6mm ARC barrel.





ORIGINAL POST: We have been getting a lot of calls and e-mails in the last week or so asking if we are chambering barrels for the new Hornady 6mm ARC. While we have not yet made a decision about 6mm ARC we are quite familiar with the various 6mm cartridges that are designed to work through the AR-15 platform and the limitations and advantages of most of them. The idea of a 6mm cartridge with a case capacity in the 27-30 gr range out of the AR-15 is a great idea with a ton of versatility. You can shoot anything from a light varmint bullet at well over 3400 FPS for varmints to a long 108 or 107 at 2700 for long range target work, or a 87-95 for an effective hunting round with the accuracy and terminal performance to take medium game out to 500 yards. (Sorry, but while you may be able to hit one at much longer ranges, you will not have the terminal velocity for effective bullet performance and good kills past that range.)


Many such cartridges have been developed. Most based on either the 6.8 SPC case with it’s .420 head diameter or the 7.62x39 case with a .440 head size. Hornady chose to go with the larger .440 head size for the 6mm ARC cartridge.


We have built many rifles in various wildcat cartridges on the .440 head size case, as well as the .264 LBC. What we found is that they just do not give the reliability and longevity that we as target shooters need at the pressures that we typically shoot. In the crucible of competitive highpower shooting, where we tend to tip the powder can to the limit of what the case will hold, they did just not hold up. Other gunsmiths built them and had success with them, but lug set-back and breakage was at a level that I was personally uncomfortable with. At that time I made the decision to not chamber for the .440 head size cartridges. In addition, I feel there are other cartridges that are better for the specific demands of the across the course match rifle shooter.


Hornady confirmed by my feelings by limiting the new cartridge to 52,000 PSI max pressure. At that pressure bolts and barrel extensions should last a long time. Start tipping the powder can and all bets are off. If you are one to add powder until primers fall out then back off slightly, don’t expect to keep all the lugs on your bolt if you shoot a lot.


I will have to be convinced that the reliability and longevity are there before we start selling them to our customers. We will keep you informed.

 

[Nincomp]

I have followed the Grendel site off an on since its beginning. They have basically forgotten about the 6.8 SPC. I don't think that I have seen it mentioned in a long time. They still remember and hate Harrison, though.

Most of the hype has died down, likely since there is a lot of data on the site that shows the actual performance in barrels much shorter than 24". Since the rise of the 6.5 Creedmoor, it is not really seen as the amazing long distance cartridge that its more rabid fans once touted. These days there are not many 20" and 24" barrels sold. The site founder now calls himself "BluntForceTrauma" and is now a vendor. You can get an idea of what is popular by looking at his SixFiveOutfitter site. Only 12", 14.7" and 16" barrels sold there. The only 20" barrels are for 6mm ARC.

The emphasis has changed largely to hunting, although some still like occasional shooting steel at 600+ yards, Reality set in a long time ago and I don't see any claims for long-range hunting anymore. As far as target shooting, and especially competition, the hardcore long-range target crowd largely moved to 6mm cartridges a few years ago. If anything, some Grendel fans feel threatened by the 6mm ARC, although some of them just see it as a variation of the Grendel and have both. The argument is now that the Grendel is a better medium game HUNTING cartridge than the ARC. Shades of the old 6.8 SPC vs 6.5 Grendel arguments. In all fairness, with the proper bullets, it is a good hunting cartridge and clearly in the same class as the SPC.

One of the interesting things is that a couple of the more experienced members have corrected new fanboys who quote the "It retains greater terminal energy at extended ranges" than 7.62 NATO still found on the Wikipedia entry. The most hard core moderator now just says that its trajectory can be close to that of the 308 using the 175 Sierra Match King. Also, it is widely known that the published BC of the Hornady 123 SST was grossly overstated and that Bryan Litz's testing showed is closer to .462 than the advertised .510.

 

[constructor]

I have followed the Grendel site off an on since its beginning. They have basically forgotten about the 6.8 SPC. I don't think that I have seen it mentioned in a long time. They still remember and hate Harrison, though.

Most of the hype has died down, likely since there is a lot of data on the site that shows the actual performance in barrels much shorter than 24". Since the rise of the 6.5 Creedmoor, it is not really seen as the amazing long distance cartridge that its more rabid fans once touted. These days there are not many 20" and 24" barrels sold. The site founder now calls himself "BluntForceTrauma" and is now a vendor. You can get an idea of what is popular by looking at his SixFiveOutfitter site. Only 12", 14.7" and 16" barrels sold there. The only 20" barrels are for 6mm ARC.

The emphasis has changed largely to hunting, although some still like occasional shooting steel at 600+ yards, Reality set in a long time ago and I don't see any claims for long-range hunting anymore. As far as target shooting, and especially competition, the hardcore long-range target crowd largely moved to 6mm cartridges a few years ago. If anything, some Grendel fans feel threatened by the 6mm ARC, although some of them just see it as a variation of the Grendel and have both. The argument is now that the Grendel is a better medium game HUNTING cartridge than the ARC. Shades of the old 6.8 SPC vs 6.5 Grendel arguments. In all fairness, with the proper bullets, it is a good hunting cartridge and clearly in the same class as the SPC.

One of the interesting things is that a couple of the more experienced members have corrected new fanboys who quote the "It retains greater terminal energy at extended ranges" than 7.62 NATO still found on the Wikipedia entry. The most hard core moderator now just says that its trajectory can be close to that of the 308 using the 175 Sierra Match King. Also, it is widely known that the published BC of the Hornady 123 SST was grossly overstated and that Bryan Litz's testing showed is closer to .462 than the advertised .510.

It's nice that they still have feelings for me.

 

[Nincomp]

Yeah..... feelings.😠😡

 

[constructor]

The Grendel would be a great match for the AK, Galil, CZ Bren 2 or those type of rifles already made to handle the .442" diameter cartridges. The problem is they stuck it in an AR15.
As for the Grendel boys, Hanka, Waites and I stopped going back and forth around 2009 or 10. Paul Scott (LRRpffft)and A5Blaster along with several others came around later and still hit youtube and other forums. LRR is by far the largest poster of exaggerated and misleading information.
Any thread that gets started about the 6.8 gets shut down pretty quick by the Grendel mods.

 

[Thylacine]

Not much for commenting myself, but wanted to add in, I currently own 3 6.8 ARs (all ARP barrels), have a 4th ARP barrel sitting in the parts box and have a 4th rifle on the way. Suggested to a buddy to pick up one of H's last used rifles and he wasn't impressed with the accuracy at first with 95 TTSXs, though he didn't do much load development. He also had a different buddy build a 6.5G AR around the same time. Liked the accuracy better on the 6.5G. It was disappointing, but I now get another ARP 6.8 rifle for a steal. He's the only friend of mine that has acquired a 6.8 AR and hasn't liked it enough to keep it though he doesn't talk the 6.8 down.

I looked heavily at the 6.8 SPC I and the 6.5G when I built my first one many years ago. I was almost pulling the trigger on the Grendel when I fell into the SPC II info and AR15 Performance. When I looked at the data for the SPC II compared to the 6.5G (NOT the opinions), the numbers stood for themselves to me. The 6.8 SPC II (and ARP) was a MUCH better option for hunting in a smaller and lighter package with all components being equal. I assembled my 6.8, built some handholds and haven't looked back. I haven't hunted with it as much as I'd like (haven't hunted as much as I'd like period), but it's pretty much my "go to" hunting rifle unless I want to be nostalgic and grab a lever gun. I have several 6.8s now, so I can have a plinker AND hunting rifles without fussing with the scopes.

That said, my 300BO is my go to subsonic hunter under 75 yards, but that's a special tool for a special purpose and works well for that singular purpose. My 6.8 is the multi-use woods gun. I happily show off and talk about my 6.8s to anyone who will listen. I make sure anyone I speak to knows to review the numbers and take note of the platform and barrel lengths used for the "data" they are reviewing.

Thanks to H for pushing the 6.8 where it should've been from the start and thanks to this board for all the useful input and relatively unbiased information.

 

[Guts]

I find it interesting that Savage released is their MSR15 LRP (Long Range Precision) in 6.8 SPC, 22 Nosler and 224 Valkyrie. No mention of the 6.5.

Whenever I get a 6.5 fanboy starting to trash my choice. I asked them, “How does it do hunting?”. Interestingly, I have yet to personally meet a 6.5 hunter. I then mention only my 308 has a better shots per kill ratio (116%) than my 6.8 SPC (88%). It’s even better than my 338 WinMag (74%).

I’m leaving in two days for a weeklong hog hunt. I am taking three guns. All are chambered in 6.8 SPC.

 

[czgunner]

It is amusing how sensitive the g boys get. You give any props to 6.8 and they come out of the woodwork to pout and cry. Very liberal mentality.

There is a d bag called "jjj r" on you tube that haunts the 6.8 videos running his mouth that the 6.8 is dead. He's a special kind of gay.

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