Has anyone here used the KAK Shockwave brace and tube with one of H's 12.5 inch pistol barrels? I'm curious whether that setup stays under the 26 inch OAL.
Thanks for your help.
Thanks for your help.
I have not used it with H's 12.5, but i do have one on a 10.5. I think a few factors come into play for OAL. Muzzle device and the KAK blade has different lengths of pull you can set it to, it varies from about 1" back from the end plate + the blade to about 10" plus the blade.Has anyone here used the KAK Shockwave brace and tube with one of H's 12.5 inch pistol barrels? I'm curious whether that setup stays under the 26 inch OAL.
Thanks for your help.
By definition a barrel less than 16" with an over all length 26" or more is a firearm, not defined as a rifle or a pistol.To be considered a pistol doesn't the length of the weapon need to be under 26" as measured from the muzzle excluding the muzzle device (unless permanently attached) to the end of the receiver extension?
So a pistol build with one of H's 12.5" barrels would be difficult to build and come in under 26" with the standard pistol buffer tube or am I missing something?
The regulations for alternative deer season prohibit a rifle. Missouri considers a concealable weapon one of which has a barrel less than 16". No definition of a pistol, except for center fire pistol or revolvers firing expanding bullets. Since my 12.5" 6.8 is not designed as or meant to shoot from my shoulder, it's a pistol, IMO.Thanks Semi for the clarification. For the 12.5" barrel to be assembled as a "pistol" the length needs to be under 26" correct? To be able to use said weapon during Missouri's
Alternative Weapons Season.
ditto.....Here is some ATF literature on the matter.
Open letter concerning shouldering a pistol brace
ATF Questions and Answers Section
I will say I choose not to comment on what is interpreted as legal or illegal, because it only takes one judge to interpret the law differently then you are into a very expensive legal battle. The odds of this happening are slim to non, but there are horror stories out there. Just want to warn unsuspecting users of the risk when dancing with these gray areas of the written law especially now a days with the firearms community under attack. Hence the reason I do not own a "arm brace" on any of my short barrel guns. They either look like a "pistol" and if they look like a "SBR" I have the ATF approval paperwork that says this SBR is legal. I view the $200 tax to SBR a gun as insurance to prevent a potential legal battle, sure it sucks but at least I don't have to worry if big brother is looking to see if I am shouldering my "pistol arm brace".
I will step down off my soap box now...
(says nothing about barrel length. If it was designed to fired with one hand it is a pistol)The term "Pistol" means a weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having:
- a chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s);
- and a short stock designed to be gripped by one hand at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s).
in reference to you talking about the ATF reversing course. if you didn't have hundreds if not thousands of people making youtube videos and posting pictures of themselves shouldering the Sig brace it would have never been an issue. those people were basically thumbing there nose at the ATF for skirting around the SBR rules. people have no one to blames but themselves for this.In my opinion, it makes perfect sense to have a rifle, pistol (with the brace), and sbr lower. The pistol lower is a must have for non sbr states, and even if you live in a NFA friendly state its much easier to transport a pistol. The ATF gave approval for the use of the kak stabilizer and the sig brace for us mere mortal men, and at first said shouldering them would be considered improper use but legal, because that isnt how the ATF classifies items to begin with. Then they turned around and said if you built the pistol to use the brace as a stock you manufactured an sbr, but in reality the burden of proof is on Govco. Which, i would expect, would only happen if said pistol was used in the commission of a crime. Here in my state, i can run around in my truck with a fully loaded pistol, whereas a rifle or sbr needs to be unloaded and ammo/mags separate from the gun. When you really get down to the brass tacks of it, as long as you arent using your pistol for misdeeds, the burden of proof is on the state if they ever decide to knock on your door for absolutely no reason.