[WASSMAN]

Can someone pass the salt and melted butter? This popcorn needs more flavor

 

[Woodstock]

My problem with the NRA is because of their lack of effort we now have Biden. Since 2012, the NRA Second Amendment message has been progressively reduced, 2020 they had exactly one decent TV ad, and not near enough to make any difference at all.

I don't see how you can blame that on the NRA. Did you donate this year or renew membership? A lot of people didn't because they are falling for the lefts nonsense and blaming the world's ills on Wayne LaPierre. It is astonishing the amount of hate you hear for the NRA around these parts but none of them can give you a legitimate reason other than Wayne LaPierre wears expensive suits and flys around on private jets.

 

[Woodstock]

Take a breath - I'm not accusing you or anyone else of anything, just trying to understand.

Sorry if I misconstrued your meaning but when you say: "That's kind of a blinders on approach" it kind of leaves me scratching my head.

 

[MOOSE EARS]

The NRA is basically a political action organization. They all work the same way, regardless of what their goal is; YOU PAY TO PLAY! Pro 2A reps get funding from NRA in various forms or another for their efforts to keep the 2A alive. The NRA "salesmen" wine and dine the reps just like the child murderers do. It's how the game is played and they all know the rules. It's also why the corruption is so bad. Bribes, perks, favors, hookers, little boys/girls, you name it and these crooked bastards (reps) accept payments. The NRA is corrupt because everything involved with DC and politicians is corrupt! But we need someone to fight the battle and the NRA is our dirty mercenary force. The lesser of the 2 evils concept. God help us all...

 

[ozarkpugs]

I have a problem with a lot of things the NRA does , I have a problem with a lot of things the Republicans do also. I have a bigger problem with what the people who want to destroy the NRA does and with the Democratic party . If the NRA was not relavent the left would not be trying to destroy it . Myself I believe some Republicans and some NRA higher ups are happy so many anti gun Politicians got in because they have job security keeping them at Bay .


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[wintys]

The NRA may have it's problems; and getting the hell out of NY will be a good thing. I will say if it wasn't for the NRA and the backing Members I think we would have lost our rights to and of the Second Amendment long ago, check your card and make sure it's renewed and up to date now more than ever. With out the Second the rest are unprotected as we will be .

 

[Equalizer_2]

With the restrictions placed into effect in WA state during the last few years I had to live there I was very disappointed with the NRA's lack of response to fight them. I don't know all the details but I am a life member and still support them as I can because they are better than nothing. I hope they do well and wish that any firearms related industries would also leave NY and other restrictive states and take on Ronnie Barrett's attitude, if the citizens can't have it then the police don't need it.

 

[Dogcompany]

I’ve donated to the NRA for a long time. And please don’t assume my distaste for them is because of the “left wing” or fake news. It started off by the phone calls asking for renewals when I was paid up for the next 2 or 3 years. Then further phone calls. As far as I can recall, Amazon has never called me for a Prime renewal. I have one of their trucks at my house many times a week. They focus on their customer (forget about the politics for a moment). We are customers of the NRA and there are a lot of unhappy campers. The NRA spent more on calling me and sending me letters asking for renewals than I paid in dues. I used my common sense to realize this organization was wasting the money I was giving it, left wing or fake news had nothing to do with my judgement. If you feel fake news is swaying people on their opinion of the NRA, rock on brother. Further, their magazine is now cannon fodder. Have you see the ads in this thing? Maybe I’m not their target market, but I didn’t feel like I was part of their demographic both in their articles and ads. IMO - the NRA needs a change in leadership to reach out to all of these new gun owners. Do you think a 30 yr old new gun owner cares about buying a gold plated 1911 or a DR Brush Hog? Or stories about M1 Garands? There are a massive amount of new gun owners out there we need to educate and I don’t personally see any attempt by the NRA to reach out to them. But if I want to buy silver coins, I know where to go! When an organization is so clearly out of touch with many (maybe not you) of its members, this backlash is inevitable. I agree with their mission of defending the 2A and the political activism. I live in WA and have too been disappointed with how things have gone. I make phone calls, write letters, get my friends to write letters, etc. But we need help advertising, lobbying, and making it even easier for new gun owners to communicate with their representatives.

None of my points were influenced by the left wing or fake news. Just observed behavior of many years of being an increasingly disappointed member. Last - I think filing for bankruptcy is criminal. If they are doing it so they can move, that could be considered morally wrong, IMO. What if you were a vendor and selling them office space or furniture or paper or, whatever, i.e. they owed you money. Now, you are at the bottom of the list of getting paid while the CEO is still a millionaire and will put his new digs up in Texas. How on earth is that fair to the people who have provided them with services and goods if they are in enough financial shape to move? I’m not opposed to bankruptcy, but in this case using it to move because NY wants you to isn’t the intended purpose of the protection. I would just put yourself in the shoes of a small business who could stand to lose out on this. They should have left NY 20 years ago! Now it just seems like a victory for the left.

 

[Woodstock]

I’ve donated to the NRA for a long time. And please don’t assume my distaste for them is because of the “left wing” or fake news. It started off by the phone calls asking for renewals when I was paid up for the next 2 or 3 years. Then further phone calls. As far as I can recall, Amazon has never called me for a Prime renewal. I have one of their trucks at my house many times a week. They focus on their customer (forget about the politics for a moment). We are customers of the NRA and there are a lot of unhappy campers. The NRA spent more on calling me and sending me letters asking for renewals than I paid in dues. I used my common sense to realize this organization was wasting the money I was giving it, left wing or fake news had nothing to do with my judgement. If you feel fake news is swaying people on their opinion of the NRA, rock on brother. Further, their magazine is now cannon fodder. Have you see the ads in this thing? Maybe I’m not their target market, but I didn’t feel like I was part of their demographic both in their articles and ads. IMO - the NRA needs a change in leadership to reach out to all of these new gun owners. Do you think a 30 yr old new gun owner cares about buying a gold plated 1911 or a DR Brush Hog? Or stories about M1 Garands? There are a massive amount of new gun owners out there we need to educate and I don’t personally see any attempt by the NRA to reach out to them. But if I want to buy silver coins, I know where to go! When an organization is so clearly out of touch with many (maybe not you) of its members, this backlash is inevitable. I agree with their mission of defending the 2A and the political activism. I live in WA and have too been disappointed with how things have gone. I make phone calls, write letters, get my friends to write letters, etc. But we need help advertising, lobbying, and making it even easier for new gun owners to communicate with their representatives.

None of my points were influenced by the left wing or fake news. Just observed behavior of many years of being an increasingly disappointed member. Last - I think filing for bankruptcy is criminal. If they are doing it so they can move, that could be considered morally wrong, IMO. What if you were a vendor and selling them office space or furniture or paper or, whatever, i.e. they owed you money. Now, you are at the bottom of the list of getting paid while the CEO is still a millionaire and will put his new digs up in Texas. How on earth is that fair to the people who have provided them with services and goods if they are in enough financial shape to move? I’m not opposed to bankruptcy, but in this case using it to move because NY wants you to isn’t the intended purpose of the protection. I would just put yourself in the shoes of a small business who could stand to lose out on this. They should have left NY 20 years ago! Now it just seems like a victory for the left.

I was annoyed by their calls and mailings as well but it is not hard to have yourself removed from the mailing list. The only problem I have with your above post is that you assume to know what the cost of mailings and callings are to the NRA. Most of the callings are done by volunteers and the mailings quite likely are donated by 2A supporting business so probably costs nothing to the organization. I have some problems with the way things are done as well but it is still the best we have got and if we don't support them then what?

 

[Dogcompany]

Yep. I don’t know how they pay for it, but there’s no such thing as a free lunch. Would the donations and volunteer time be better spent calling representatives, senators and governors? Send them letters, robo call their office. The reason many of us have a problem is because we can’t just say “it’s the best we got”, as our rights are flushed down the toilet. When you’re losing, you need a new game plan because the one you have isn’t producing results. The concept of the NRA is valid. The current leadership and execution plan should be course corrected. As we know, people are trying, but leadership is protectionist of what they have. And before anyone says “what are you doing”, I agree, I/we should all be doing more.

 

[Woodstock]

What gun rights have we lost lately? I can only come up with SCOTUS decisions that were postitive for the 2A crowd, unless you consider the ban on bump stocks a loss somehow. I don't know that we are losing anything. That may all change now but is yet to be seen. Senators and Reps don't give a damn about calls from people who are not in their districts. What would be the point of robo calling them? One of the first thing their aides ask generally is where do you reside. If not in their district they don't bother with you.

 

[billdurham1]

I am not a member of the NRA. I don't know all of the inside info.. but I think that this is nothing but a business move so they can move to Texas.

 

[Dogcompany]

What gun rights have we lost lately? I can only come up with SCOTUS decisions that were postitive for the 2A crowd, unless you consider the ban on bump stocks a loss somehow. I don't know that we are losing anything. That may all change now but is yet to be seen. Senators and Reps don't give a damn about calls from people who are not in their districts. What would be the point of robo calling them? One of the first thing their aides ask generally is where do you reside. If not in their district they don't bother with you.

From a state perspective, many of us have lost a lot. For example, I must lock my gun in a safe unloaded in my own house. I could create a list of all gun rights lost in 2020 by State, and a list of proposed rights that could be lost this year. But I hope you see my point. The NRA claims to support local state fights. The opposition puts in $Ms of dollars to support gun control in WA and the NRA is hardly to be found.

If the Robo callers are in India, then you have a point. Otherwise, have them dial their representatives. And with alternative mediums today, getting a phone call to my land line at dinner is...disturbing. Yes, I will ask them to take me off their list. I still think it’s a dusty, out of touch organization that is inefficient with its members dues. most importantly to me, there are people out there trying to improve it (like Adam Kraut, though he’s backed off recently).

 

[Woodstock]

From a state perspective, many of us have lost a lot. For example, I must lock my gun in a safe unloaded in my own house. I could create a list of all gun rights lost in 2020 by State, and a list of proposed rights that could be lost this year. But I hope you see my point. The NRA claims to support local state fights. The opposition puts in $Ms of dollars to support gun control in WA and the NRA is hardly to be found.

If the Robo callers are in India, then you have a point. Otherwise, have them dial their representatives. And with alternative mediums today, getting a phone call to my land line at dinner is...disturbing. Yes, I will ask them to take me off their list. I still think it’s a dusty, out of touch organization that is inefficient with its members dues. most importantly to me, there are people out there trying to improve it (like Adam Kraut, though he’s backed off recently).

Well hopefully things will get better with the move to Texas and the restructuring.

 

[Woodstock]

Well hopefully things will get better with the move to Texas and the restructuring.

Just curious if you have ever contacted your representative to the state house?

 

[Dogcompany]

I might have mentioned it in earlier post, but the answer is many many times. I’ve helped my friends write letters and make phone calls (sent them the contact info and drafted wording for them).

One of my goals is to actually donate my time to 1) local gun rights organizations 2) start teaching gun safety courses at the local junior events. I have a million excuses like the rest of us for not having time, but it’s a goal I hope to achieve.

 

[Woodstock]

I might have mentioned it in earlier post, but the answer is many many times. I’ve helped my friends write letters and make phone calls (sent them the contact info and drafted wording for them).

One of my goals is to actually donate my time to 1) local gun rights organizations 2) start teaching gun safety courses at the local junior events. I have a million excuses like the rest of us for not having time, but it’s a goal I hope to achieve.

Good deal. I was hoping that was the answer. So many want to complain about the NRA not doing anything to protect their rights when they refuse to do anything themselves. It has to be tough living in a communist state.

 

[Dogcompany]

It is, especially for a Texan! I feel like I’m behind enemy lines, sometimes. The further east I go, the better it gets. I would say King County is the communist “state”. Just like California, there are many parts of WA that are full of great people. And Texas is seeing this happen to them, believe it or not. I was shocked to see the Biden/Trump voting ratio in Dallas county. My brother told me Biden signs were all over yards in Dallas. Not what it once was...We debate leaving WA all the time, but I feel like they are winning if we do. Why should the left have all of the cool places? California was once conservative, in our lifetimes. Maybe it can switch back. It’s such a waste seeing the West Coast go left, because it is a great place.

 

[Ratdog68]

It is, especially for a Texan! I feel like I’m behind enemy lines, sometimes. The further east I go, the better it gets. I would say King County is the communist “state”. Just like California, there are many parts of WA that are full of great people. And Texas is seeing this happen to them, believe it or not. I was shocked to see the Biden/Trump voting ratio in Dallas county. My brother told me Biden signs were all over yards in Dallas. Not what it once was...We debate leaving WA all the time, but I feel like they are winning if we do. Why should the left have all of the cool places? California was once conservative, in our lifetimes. Maybe it can switch back. It’s such a waste seeing the West Coast go left, because it is a great place.

How do you think I feel, living in Seattle, less than 4 miles from "CHOP", and from downtown. Writing to, or attempting to reason with any of the critters holding office in my area would be akin to trying to pet a rabid dog. What's the point of getting bitten and infected with their disease?

 

[Equalizer_2]

How do you think I feel, living in Seattle, less than 4 miles from "CHOP", and from downtown. Writing to, or attempting to reason with any of the critters holding office in my area would be akin to trying to pet a rabid dog. What's the point of getting bitten and infected with their disease?

I was less than 40 miles from that crap hole. All I could do was support my conservative state reps and conservative organizations. Whatever happened to the TRT movement? The TRT managed to really give the socialist Million Moms a very rough time.