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Is it just me or is there a shortage of raw brass to make cases, not just 6.8 but any cases? In all my years I have never seen it this bad and it's tough to believe people are buying brass fast enough to clean it out of every shop as soon as it hits the shelves. Even through the obama years we could find brass.
 

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I had heard that the existing manufacturing could run non-stop for 2 years producing just .308 and 5.56 production ammo and still couldn't fill the backorders. If the machines are tied up making that brass for factory ammo, then there is no capacity left for making other calibers. Then throw in supply chain issues and it only gets worse. Us reloaders only get the leftovers. About all I could find new today was Valkyrie, Creedmoor, and Grendel. I bought a supply of Starline Valkyrie brass last month while I could. 6.8 brass has been nowhere to be found.
 

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Starline seems to have more calibers available for backorder, not 6.8spc but 6.8 basic. Don't think that helps 6.8ers though.
 

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Part of the problem is a bunch of people deciding to buy everything in sight to build up a massive stockpile. They are buying several years worth of ammo at one time. This definitely extends the shortages. On another site a fellow was bragging that as soon as his local chain store stopped limiting purchases, he bought up all their 6mmARC, 30 boxes. The fellow who bought the ammo is not a competition shooter, so he now has enough ammo to last him for years. Ironically, one of the guys who had been complaining about a lack of ammo on the shelves congratulated this "great buy", somehow not realizing that this is exactly the reason no ammo is on the shelves!
 

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Has anyone seen cases produced by Remington since it has restarted production? I wonder about quality. I hope that they now have a better quality system, but that remains to be seen. One of the reasons that the other manufacturers did not invest more in new production lines is that they knew that Remington had a lot of capacity that would likely come back online. They have seen panic buying before and know that ammo sales will drop to lower levels once the panic is over. They don't want to invest in a lot of expensive equipment that will sit idle when demand returns to normal. Nevertheless, the other ammo manufacturers ramped up production the best they could. One of them, I forget which, stated that they made 30% more ammo in 2021 than ever before.
Hornady seems to have a different strategy. They keep introducing new cartridges and hope that will pay for new equipment. I imagine that the profit margin of the various PRC cartridges is higher than something like 308, 30-06 or 270. Their 7mm PRC will be out in a few months. Although it will be just a little faster than 7mm Rem Mag loaded to SAAMI specs, it is designed to run the long, high-bc bullets that are all the rage now. It looks like they have a winner with that case family that has its base the same diameter as the magnum rim. It should feed better than the belted or rebated-rim cartridges. I find it interesting that it was originally used on a cartridge that never got popular, the 300 Ruger Compact Magnum. It is kinda like the popular 6.5 Creedmoor is based on the case of the largely forgotten 30 TC.
 

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Ammo issues were the reason I built a 5.56 rifle. Figured its probably one of the most available rounds. Been able to get plenty of Hornady Frontier ammo (which uses Lake City brass) around here. Gun seems to love the 68gr BTHP. Its one reason I keep debating on building an AR 10 in .308
 

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I have been seeing plenty of brass around. I live in Nebraska (Cabelas & Scheels are big here). I don't always see what I want but there is plenty of brass.

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Are you seeing much brass for cartridges other than the most common ones like 308, 223, 30-06 and 270? I remember when I worked at a factory making pneumatic valves that it cost the same to retool (shutting down the production) for a large run as for a small one, so we made more money running the high-demand parts if there was a choice.
 

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I just sold 1480 pounds of brass scrap, mostly old plumbing valves. As I was offloading it I wondered how much would get turned into cartridge.
 

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The old myth that reloading your own is cheap has been blown right up on the scrap heap. Brass is ridiculous, primers are ridiculous, powder is ridiculous, and so are bullets. I figured out yesterday that each experimental round of 270MSR was costing me about $2.75

I recall when some were bitching about the cost of Dasher brass being $90 per 100. More like $150 today.

Pricing is ridiculous but finding anything in stock is off the chart. smh
 

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Here in NC there is some brass available but it usually is more unusual the cartridges. At both gun clubs where I am a member there is a pretty brisk business with folks buying, selling, or trading brass and to some degree components. That is probably like it is everywhere else. Ammo seems to be easing a bit but it is mostly the mainstream stuff. You will be hard pressed to find any 6.8 SPC on any of the gun store shelves.

I recently helped a friend build out a Valkyrie upper because he found a guy selling a bunch of ammo at a decent price. I have Dillon presses so he also got dies so that we could keep him in ammo for it.

My guess is that this is going to continue for some time to come. I wish it weren't so but it is a fact of the world we live in.
 

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There is some factory ammo here for 6.8 (PPU, Hornady Black) but it is cheaper for me to load. The Hornady black is $28 for 20. 5.56 is debatable if its cheaper at $17 for 20 for Hornady Frontier 68gr, and 10mm is definitely cheaper with most 10mm self defense ammo being $25 t0 $40 for 20.
 

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The old myth that reloading your own is cheap has been blown right up on the scrap heap. Brass is ridiculous, primers are ridiculous, powder is ridiculous, and so are bullets. I figured out yesterday that each experimental round of 270MSR was costing me about $2.75

I recall when some were bitching about the cost of Dasher brass being $90 per 100. More like $150 today.

Pricing is ridiculous but finding anything in stock is off the chart. smh
Prices are definitely ridiculous, WHEN you can find components. I was pretty fortunate, I found a guy giving away 12lbs of powder on another forum, mostly Imr4064 and 4350 in metal cans. I couldn't reply quick enough for that. No rust and it was not degraded either. That said I have a lot of powder but now have to find primers without having to give an arm, a leg, and 3 toes for them.
 

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I pulled 500 bullets from the Hornady proof loads today so I could use the brass. Powder was very fine like half the size of 1680. I've cut way back on calibers so 6.8, 308 and 5.56 rifle brass will work. I don't reload 9mm so 10mm brass is the only other kind I need now. Starline has been making runs about every 6 mths and they notify me when they have it.
 

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I pulled 500 bullets from the Hornady proof loads today so I could use the brass. Powder was very fine like half the size of 1680. I've cut way back on calibers so 6.8, 308 and 5.56 rifle brass will work. I don't reload 9mm so 10mm brass is the only other kind I need now. Starline has been making runs about every 6 mths and they notify me when they have it.
you can get range brass 10mm on ammo seek. Just saw 200 for 0.15c/case
 

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Last week I found a stash of Rem 700 wildcat barrels I have tried over the years. Found out quick since Rem sold and then closed none of their odd calibers survived. There is no RSAUM brass to be found anywhere. Guess I could make it from WSM brass if I was ambitious enough.
 

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Remington went down with something stupid like 24 million in pending distribution orders . Thats probably 45-50 million on the shelf . Half of that at $350/1000 in 9mm , 223 , 38 Special, 45 ACP etc . That gap just stayed there and the industry presumably still running 24/6/310 (52 Sundays and a few holidays) can't fill the gap . I'm not making excuses but I think there's enough business folks here that can and have seen both sides .

30 boxes ? Hummmm 600 rounds that's probably 2-3 yr worth true .

I don't know for components the new local place has been filling the gaps on their limited shelves steadily for the last year but we're pretty rural so I don't know if that means their getting stuff or if it's just selling at slower than influx rates .

Reloading ........ This will sound like braggery . It's not , it's just the way it is sometimes . I have spent roughly the price of the rifle on just tools specific to making a case that will fit it and getting a bullet stuck in the case . The rifle was a $165 6.5 Arisaka but the barrel is over sized . Custom bushings for a bushing neck die, custom expander ball , brass has to be formed from something 308/300 Savage family although PPU is making brass for it at about half the price of Norma .
.455 head , .473 rim , .270 groove ..... I don't want to even think about what the first 100 rounds cost .......

The RSAUM might form from WSM but I thought the other Rem Mag was beltless and had to come from Rigby or H&H vs the 300 or 458 WM belted cases .

I'm not going to claim I saw it coming but I layed in when prices came down the last time after the Bario train wreck . My shooting has crawled to a stop ......

All I can tell anyone about reloading is ;
1 . 1000 primers isn't as many as it sounds like it is .
2 . Take a real hard look at how much you shoot having to buy every round now double that and add 50% to that number . That's how much you'll need every year to put an extra 10% away towards the next year .
3 . Using the math above buy 5 yr worth , don't ever include an open box or this year's in the pre plan inventory. Though I hate the phrase " 2 is 1 , and 1 is none ." It applies here .

I don't know what the answer is. I don't think being bent because some jack snipe bought all of a particular cartridge off the shelf helps .......of course buying only half of it would have made 2 or 5 people happy instead of one . I haven't bought a round or any new components since 2017 , I did inherit Dad's stuff late that yr but it's a wreck and aside from some H4831 and 209s there really wasn't much there . Probably about 5 - 10 years for him though . I've loaded about 3,000 rounds in the last 3 years . I did buy 500 45 Auto Rim and 500 SPP ACP . I've bought used dies for 264 WM , 6.5 and 7.7 Japanese. But who's not going buy an RCBS FL set , Forster neck and competition seateing die for the WM and a Lyman and RCBS set for the 6.5 Japanese when the guy only wants $65 and thows in what turned out to be a set of 6.5 -257 Roberts AI dies .
I also bought a Forster case trimmer.......

This whole thing is crap . I've read we have 10 million new shooters over the last 5 years well that's great . I'd venture we've lost that many maybe more to the Reaper . So really it's a flat market for guns . The new guys are shooting more than the old guys ......well yeah it's always been that way . About 25 years ago I read through 30+ years of the American Rifleman over a couple of months . The only thing that's changed since 1968 is the names of the players and the intensity of the game . Frankly I feel like my tin foil lined armadillo hat is about 2 sizes too tight but I really think the cycles are getting shorter and that the public damage for headlines is deliberate , planned and paid .
I'll leave a pile of stuff for my kids but I'm not sure they will want it or use it ....... Hell might not even be legal for them to have by then .

It's long been suggested that if they couldn't get or price guns out of reach for Jane and Joe average they would take the ammo and render the guns useless . California requires a background check to buy ammo , the same 4473 as a gun . If you buy 50 22lr that's expensive as hell it's not bad on 30 boxes of 6mm Arc and 1000 ea 9mm and 223 ........ Only an audit knows you're laying in . That parking ticket in Napa and the sleep aid you got from the doc after the breakup and your dog dieing in the same week , yeah well you failed the background check ....... Years to get that fixed .

I'm sure it's just my hat band being too tight .
There's plenty of product just a few 1000 jerks screwing it all up buying out millions of rounds every day and stripping shelves .
 

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Remington went down with something stupid like 24 million in pending distribution orders . Thats probably 45-50 million on the shelf . Half of that at $350/1000 in 9mm , 223 , 38 Special, 45 ACP etc . That gap just stayed there and the industry presumably still running 24/6/310 (52 Sundays and a few holidays) can't fill the gap . I'm not making excuses but I think there's enough business folks here that can and have seen both sides .

30 boxes ? Hummmm 600 rounds that's probably 2-3 yr worth true .

I don't know for components the new local place has been filling the gaps on their limited shelves steadily for the last year but we're pretty rural so I don't know if that means their getting stuff or if it's just selling at slower than influx rates .

Reloading ........ This will sound like braggery . It's not , it's just the way it is sometimes . I have spent roughly the price of the rifle on just tools specific to making a case that will fit it and getting a bullet stuck in the case . The rifle was a $165 6.5 Arisaka but the barrel is over sized . Custom bushings for a bushing neck die, custom expander ball , brass has to be formed from something 308/300 Savage family although PPU is making brass for it at about half the price of Norma .
.455 head , .473 rim , .270 groove ..... I don't want to even think about what the first 100 rounds cost .......

The RSAUM might form from WSM but I thought the other Rem Mag was beltless and had to come from Rigby or H&H vs the 300 or 458 WM belted cases .

I'm not going to claim I saw it coming but I layed in when prices came down the last time after the Bario train wreck . My shooting has crawled to a stop ......

All I can tell anyone about reloading is ;
1 . 1000 primers isn't as many as it sounds like it is .
2 . Take a real hard look at how much you shoot having to buy every round now double that and add 50% to that number . That's how much you'll need every year to put an extra 10% away towards the next year .
3 . Using the math above buy 5 yr worth , don't ever include an open box or this year's in the pre plan inventory. Though I hate the phrase " 2 is 1 , and 1 is none ." It applies here .

I don't know what the answer is. I don't think being bent because some jack snipe bought all of a particular cartridge off the shelf helps .......of course buying only half of it would have made 2 or 5 people happy instead of one . I haven't bought a round or any new components since 2017 , I did inherit Dad's stuff late that yr but it's a wreck and aside from some H4831 and 209s there really wasn't much there . Probably about 5 - 10 years for him though . I've loaded about 3,000 rounds in the last 3 years . I did buy 500 45 Auto Rim and 500 SPP ACP . I've bought used dies for 264 WM , 6.5 and 7.7 Japanese. But who's not going buy an RCBS FL set , Forster neck and competition seateing die for the WM and a Lyman and RCBS set for the 6.5 Japanese when the guy only wants $65 and thows in what turned out to be a set of 6.5 -257 Roberts AI dies .
I also bought a Forster case trimmer.......

This whole thing is crap . I've read we have 10 million new shooters over the last 5 years well that's great . I'd venture we've lost that many maybe more to the Reaper . So really it's a flat market for guns . The new guys are shooting more than the old guys ......well yeah it's always been that way . About 25 years ago I read through 30+ years of the American Rifleman over a couple of months . The only thing that's changed since 1968 is the names of the players and the intensity of the game . Frankly I feel like my tin foil lined armadillo hat is about 2 sizes too tight but I really think the cycles are getting shorter and that the public damage for headlines is deliberate , planned and paid .
I'll leave a pile of stuff for my kids but I'm not sure they will want it or use it ....... Hell might not even be legal for them to have by then .

It's long been suggested that if they couldn't get or price guns out of reach for Jane and Joe average they would take the ammo and render the guns useless . California requires a background check to buy ammo , the same 4473 as a gun . If you buy 50 22lr that's expensive as hell it's not bad on 30 boxes of 6mm Arc and 1000 ea 9mm and 223 ........ Only an audit knows you're laying in . That parking ticket in Napa and the sleep aid you got from the doc after the breakup and your dog dieing in the same week , yeah well you failed the background check ....... Years to get that fixed .

I'm sure it's just my hat band being too tight .
There's plenty of product just a few 1000 jerks screwing it all up buying out millions of rounds every day and stripping shelves .
Do those 1000 jerks work for the IRS?
 
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