Save you monies.

The real Magpul sites are good for what they cost.

Troys are a step up, and I'm partial to the DD Fixed Front($54), then I put a light in front of it.

The cheap PTS versions fronts have a plastic post, the regular ones are steel and adjust,lol.

I have seen lots of Gen 1 Magpul fronts they are blowing out for $20

I've seen Pts sites, but I've never tried to zero a set while firing live ammo.

 

PTS (professional Training simulation Division) are for air soft,and simunition so may not be able to withstand recoil. some of the PTS items like the trigger guard will only fit on airsoft. I unintentionally bought a ARMS 40L flip up rear sight from ebay that ended up being a chinese knock off meant for air soft, and it fit loose on my AR rails. I have not heard any negative stuff about Magpul PTS, but I have learned the hard way, You get what you pay for...

 

I have a set of the PTS in FDE that I used for about 400 rounds before switching over to the Troy sights. The only problem I ever had with them was the pivot pin they fold up/down on would slowly walk to one side. Never had one come out though, just drift a bit. I did switch the plastic post out as soon as I got them, as that seemed very loose. Also, there were rough edges from the molds that I took a light sandpapering to. Knowing what they are, and how much they cost, I have no real complaints.

 

Made in China vs Made in the USA, I'll pay a couple bucks more with a smile on my face.

 

Hmmm $50-70 bucks for the real deal that has last me several years and several 1000 rounds and still going strong or $15-25 for disposable that last 2-3 range sessions. Which are cheaper again? I'd say the long lasting. Something's you shouldn't skimp on. What if you have crap
Sights and they just happen to fail when someone breaks in and that's when you need your rifle. You'd sure wished you spent a few extra bucks then on a good red dot or good BUS and not bought those knock offs.


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The PTS stuff is for Airsoft, I guess it is licensed through Magpul or something. I wouldn't put it on your gun.

 

Yup: http://www.magpul-pts.com/

 

Its false economy regardless, look at the auction prices for genuine Magpul, the stuff goes for almost the same price as new, sometimes MORE than new, if you are a careful shopper. So you can buy the chinese junk and throw it away or the real stuff and get most of your money back if you decide to sell it.

 

Ebay has PTS sites(Probably PTS rip offs,lol) for $7.50 a set shipped

Real Magpul(gamble on ebay) $60+ for a set

 

Thanks for all the replies. It seems when someone produces something for an AR they automatically add 50-100% to the price. Take the castle nut wrenches, most are actually produced as the barrel bushing wrench for a 1911!

I just did not feel the Magpul USA made AR15 rear sight was worth what they retail for. what are your opinions on the worth of the Magpul MBUS gen 2 sights versus the price? Yeh I know I would love to get Troy sights, and a nice Eotech, just can't afford it with all my other gun stuff.

I bought a CZ82 because of the positive responses from owners, and I went with the 6.8 instead of 5.56 because of this forum. Glad I did although reloading is an absolute must, unless you are rich.

 

Stroker, I had the same thought for a long time. I actually once thought i had found a MBUIS set for $20.00 but it turned out to be PCS. (I didnt know at the time that they made airsoft stuff that actually fit the regular rifle.) I wanted to find out what the difference was, because like you I was thinking, why is this stuff so expensive. I found out that the reason is because the degree of reliable accuracy. for accurate BUIS you get a metal sight system that holds it's zero reliably. If you go with the PCS the sighting system is made of plastic parts. (the screws and gears that move the sights around are plastic instead of metal.) the cost is in making these to within a tolerance that holds and retains zero when dialed in folded down beaten on and deployed. This also has a lot to do with how closely the parts are machined. the smaller the tolerance, the better the reliability, but the more expensive they are. I picked up a pair of ARMS flip up buis for about $90 and I think that is an acceptable price for the quality and they appear to be a little better than MBUIS but hats prob in the eye of the beholder.

 

I think the Magpul rear that sells in the $55-65 range is GREAT bang for the buck. I've stopped buy Magpuls for my rifles(Troy and DD now), but I'm not in a hurry to swap out the Magpul stuff.

I've done testing to 300 M with Backup sites, using the same rifle with a 11 inch troy TRX Ex rail, when I use a Magpul, Troy(Flipup) or fixed DD front, I get a shift in POI between Prone with self support, and then switching to a Bipod. I even get a shift using the Bi-pod loaded or unloaded. On a 9 inch Troy TRX Ex rail, with my group sizes, I can't tell a shift. Backup BUIS on a free float, any make of Site is still at the rails mercy.

For rear sites the Matech goes on sale often, but I'm sure some of the low priced ones are also counterfit.

I'd bet more BUIS get broken in training, then get shot!!!!!!

I had an M16A1 rear site split my lip in Basic(Stitches in the lip SUCK), I leaped over a log(bayonet course), and didn't get it right and fell on top of my rifles back end of the carry handle, I sure wished it could of been a Magpul rear,lol.

 

I had an M16A1 rear site split my lip in Basic(Stitches in the lip SUCK), I leaped over a log(bayonet course), and didn't get it right and fell on top of my rifles back end of the carry handle, I sure wished it could of been a Magpul rear,lol.

I know the feeling. Took an M16A2 front sight to the lower jaw just to the side of my chin on a night march in Korea. Stepped in a hole and went down. Had the rifle on a short sling at the ready and couldn't get it away from my face. PA did a great job stitching it up as it doesn't show much unless it gets really cold.

 

Most airsoft stuff won't hold up on a real rifle. It's not intended for hard use like that. Look at Yankee Hill Machine BUIS for an alternative. They're solid sights, little more than the Magpuls and less expensive than the Troys...

 

+1 I've used all three and for a back-up either the Gen 2 or YH are good. The gen 2 will fit under a LaRue scope mount too.

 

I'm a big fan of the arms ones as they are polymer with metal inserts. These have a low profile, are rigid, accurate, and under $100.

 

I just don't see the point. BUIS are there in case the primary optic fails - for the money, I'd just put on another red dot and have two. It's done a lot.

In my case, I built a dissipator with a rifle handguard, the front sight was $40 - a clamp on. The rear, mil issue - a M4 carry handle cut down to just the sight, $32 used. Nothing seems to be mil spec and cheaper than that.

For the money, I have sights instantly available, solid metal, non collapsing, that have the minimum number of parts. I can bolt a light mount to the front one, and shoot coaxial thru the rear with no flipping, delay, or worries about them being airsoft junk.

With the Magpul, the front must be mounted on the handguard rail - which moves independently of the barrel, especially on a free float. That means it's moving around changing the point of aim with handpressure or a sling. Good enough for backup in a bad situation?

I just see the emperor buck nekkid, I guess. It's not pretty.