Nice review about the 6.8 and LWRC Six8. Would like to hear some of the old timers responses LRRPFco52 comments about the video. I've not heard those accusations about the 6.8 development before now. I think he's the same as the Grendal Fan Boy that I see on AR15.com. So I usually view everything he says through that filter.
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History and Development of the 6.8x43mm REM SPC from Chris Bartocci
New video from Chris Bartocci (of "Black Rifle II" fame) "History and Development of the 6.8x43mm REM SPC - LWRCI Six8-A5 Rifle "
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I'm interested to hear opinions of the content from folks here who were early players in the development of the 6.8 SPC.
YouTube link:
I'm interested to hear opinions of the content from folks here who were early players in the development of the 6.8 SPC.
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For what it is, it's a positive for 2017!
Well, the statement about LWRC being the only company to do anything with the 6.8 is BS. H and Tim W and this forum pretty much made it into what is is today.
A decent video but he left the main players out like H, Tim and Chris L. Even though SSA was mentioned, Art should have been the focus.Well, the statement about LWRC being the only company to do anything with the 6.8 is BS. H and Tim W and this forum pretty much made it into what is is today.
Big green was done with it early on and LWRC didn't get into the spot light until the last few years with the Six8. IMHO the Six8 8" PDW version was the solution for Jordan. On the civilian side, it's too expensive for no gains vs. a standard AR15 lower using PRI, CPD or ASC mags.
One in the same.Nice review about the 6.8 and LWRC Six8. Would like to hear some of the old timers responses LRRPFco52 comments about the video. I've not heard those accusations about the 6.8 development before now. I think he's the same as the Grendal Fan Boy that I see on AR15.com. So I usually view everything he says through that filter.
He is sponsored by Alexander Arms.
He has a self engraved plaque that reads Worlds Biggest Grendel FanBoi.
He's not worth a passing thought.
Yeah I would say about 95% of what Lrrpfft says is BS. For the last 10 years him and the rest of the Grendel crowd have been saying we were shooting 70,000psi to get the velocities we are and the barrel tenon, bolt and extension just can't handle that kind of pressure. Of course they don't have pressure equipt and we do. No one has ever blown up anything in 10 years, not even ruptured a case. 10 years seems like long enough to prove we aren't running 70k and the pressures we are running are safe.Nice review about the 6.8 and LWRC Six8. Would like to hear some of the old timers responses LRRPFco52 comments about the video. I've not heard those accusations about the 6.8 development before now. I think he's the same as the Grendal Fan Boy that I see on AR15.com. So I usually view everything he says through that filter.
I thought he did a decent job of covering alot of the points we would expect to be covered. He did mention "hog hunters in southeast Texas," ( as being among those who were helping carry the cartridge through some of the rougher times). So, I appreciate the nod. If this wasn't LWRCi focused review, he might have mentioned some of the other people who helped prove the pressures we were using for SPCII were good. That meant Barnes, WC, and of course SSA, who he mentioned.
As H said, we had pressure data as early as 2008, and I still load some of those same loads (85 TSX) to this day. So, when you compare the 85 TSX SSA load (which was essentially first tested at WRR, with Art himself, standing right there), to the XM68 GD load, they are remarkably similar, even down to the powder used. Its still amazing to me that there was so much doubt and consternation about SPCII in between all those years!
As H said, we had pressure data as early as 2008, and I still load some of those same loads (85 TSX) to this day. So, when you compare the 85 TSX SSA load (which was essentially first tested at WRR, with Art himself, standing right there), to the XM68 GD load, they are remarkably similar, even down to the powder used. Its still amazing to me that there was so much doubt and consternation about SPCII in between all those years!
You want to read a more overall accurate history look up Fall of the 6.8 and Rise of the 6.8 SPC II. My only regret is I wasn't smart enough to put an IWT labeled upper on that first pic hah
http://ar15hunter.com/fall-6-8-spc-rise-6-8-spc-ii-hunting-round/
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http://ar15hunter.com/fall-6-8-spc-rise-6-8-spc-ii-hunting-round/
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We can only wonder where the 6.8 would be today if it had the same marketing dollars behind it. Whether LRRPFFT's accusations are true or not I'll never know. But I do know whenever he comments about the 6.8 it's ALWAYS negative. I have no doubt he's getting paid. It's always about the money.
I thought his statement about the chambers was wrong. Based on what I read before I found this forum, and on this forum. The SPCII chamber was not to fix the flaw in the one that was developed. To me, that was a pretty big point to get wrong.
Nice rig he has there. I agree.
Nice rig he has there. I agree.
So true! About most anything.. I have no doubt he's getting paid. It's always about the money.
Lies, just flat out lies and he(Paul Scott of Sandy Utah) doesn't care if everyone knows he's a liar as long as he hurts the 6.8 and helps the 6.5.We can only wonder where the 6.8 would be today if it had the same marketing dollars behind it. Whether LRRPFFT's accusations are true or not I'll never know. But I do know whenever he comments about the 6.8 it's ALWAYS negative. I have no doubt he's getting paid. It's always about the money.
As for the vid, It's a LWRC commercial. Peak pressure can not occur after the bullet leaves the muzzle. There are several other off the cuff statements that are not correct but I don't have time to go through and pick it apart. I wonder if he knows SSA sold to Nosler? Also I heard Art was the one traveling the world to sell the 6.8 idea especially since I talked to him several times while he was sitting in foreign airports.
Let me first thank all you guys that did the amazing work you did to make the 6.8 SPC ll what it is today. Nice write up !Lies, just flat out lies and he(Paul Scott of Sandy Utah) doesn't care if everyone knows he's a liar as long as he hurts the 6.8 and helps the 6.5.
As for the vid, It's a LWRC commercial. Peak pressure can not occur after the bullet leaves the muzzle. There are several other off the cuff statements that are not correct but I don't have time to go through and pick it apart. I wonder if he knows SSA sold to Nosler? Also I heard Art was the one traveling the world to sell the 6.8 idea especially since I talked to him several times while he was sitting in foreign airports.
Being relatively new here, I never knew of the 6.5 "fan boy" battles that occurred and the lies told about the 6.8. Although I did get a taste of it on AR-15.com! I'd heard of the 6.8 before when it came out in original form and didn't pay much attention to it as I wasn't into ARs then. I'd also heard of the 6.5 but didn't think much of it in spite of it's claimed ballistic advantages. Fast forward to present day. I decided I wanted a hunting caliber in the AR 15 platform after getting used to my duty(223 wylde). I did my research and came here, bought an H barrel and then a Bison. The cartridge is all I could want for my uses. Do I wish we had cheaper plinking ammo, of course, do I wish we had lots of cheap brass around, sure. But we don't have to lie to promote the 6.8, it's track record on on hogs and deer does that just fine. Glad the paid liar is gone ! Karma's a "B" !
Once again, thanks to H, (AR15Performance.com), Art Kalwas and Dr. Chris Lucci, I appreciate all you and others have done keeping the 6.8 alive and making it what it is today.
Joe
i didn't watch it. and after reading what H has to say about it i'm not going to. Thank you H for all your hard work and for putting out 'good' information. i know i've left some out on the thank you list but i'm just not sure who they are. But thank you to all that do the 6.8 justice. i've converted at least 3 shooters to it. :a35:
Long time member. The video is a paid rant to me. I have a 6.8spc2 and an arp .264lbc barrel both guns have been excellent deer killers. But as I am now getting close to 50 in age I am looking to lighten the load a little so I will be getting an arp 6.8 short barrel this year. Both guns are suppressed and since acquiring guns in both calipers I have sold off most of my other calibers. I keep one SBR 556 around. You just can not beet a 6.8 for Oklahoma whitetail. Now if I could find a place to do some hog hunting I would shoot it even more.
all I can say is thanks H for making a great little caliber that big green discarded a very functional and useful tool n my arsenal.
all I can say is thanks H for making a great little caliber that big green discarded a very functional and useful tool n my arsenal.
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