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Am looking to purchase 1st 6.8 & with wife in college (maybe she can support me!) I am looking for an economical AR. Only non-negotiables are a bull barrel, good trigger, & non-AR sights. Any suggestions?
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I don't know of any Bull-Barreled 6.8SPC uppers out there. The closest is the Stag 20"
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Thanks for the input. I was thinking of going with a Model 1 Sales Tactical Rifle kit & a generic lower. Seems like the total cost would be under a grand...
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Although the Model1 sales upper would be economical, I dont know if I would put it in the "good" catagory. They use a horrible twist rate of 1"9.5 and the original dated chamber of Saami spec. Combine those and you will have a rifle showing pressure signs with ammo.... not a good thing at all!
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Thanks again! Maybe I'll just buy a DPMS in .260 Rem 
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Does it have to be a brand new rifle. It might be a good idea to look around and find a nice used one for a good price. Thats what I ended up doing to get my 6.8. It is not like you wont be able to pick up a new one later down the road when you find one that presents itself. I bought a brand new RRA 5.56 with no upgrades and a used Ko-tonics 6.8 with free float handguard and leupold scope for a couple hundred less. The new rock river shoots excellent, but my used 6.8 was by far the better purchase.
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Thanks for the thought. Sometimes the obvious isn't. This seems to be happening more as I get older!
why a bull barrel? Alot of people tend to think bull barrel is the only way to get dednutz accuracy yet for 99.9% of shooters needs this just leads to carrying too much rifle. The only time a bull really shines is during high volume, fairly rapid, medium to long range, sub moa shooting. In order to make full use of the extra weight you almost need all four criteria.
On the other hand if you just want a varmint rifle/ predator look thats entirely different as I agree they look slick as hell.
On the other hand if you just want a varmint rifle/ predator look thats entirely different as I agree they look slick as hell.
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Thanks. I have ALWAYS gotten better accuracy with a bull barrel, but maybe all I am atually looking for is what used to be called a #3 contour. Since I am going to be using this for home defense,too, I have to say I have no faith in the 5.56 as a manstopper (personal exprience). I'm not really hot for the 6.8/6.5 & have cast eyen on a DPMS .308 or .338. Heck, I might just buy a .458 SOCOM.
If the bull barrel becomes negotiable, then I would suggest either a Stag, or, a RRA, if you can find one used, now.
Otherwise, I don't see anything that compares with the specs/price of the new Extreme upper which should be available shortly (ignoring the some 300 preorders in place at the moment) as it is based upon an evolution of barrel and chambers of those barrels that were extensively tested in 2008.
I am sure you have read the thread on the preorder and the one on the final specs included within this forum
Otherwise, I don't see anything that compares with the specs/price of the new Extreme upper which should be available shortly (ignoring the some 300 preorders in place at the moment) as it is based upon an evolution of barrel and chambers of those barrels that were extensively tested in 2008.
I am sure you have read the thread on the preorder and the one on the final specs included within this forum
Model 1 Sales
FWIW, I have a Model1Sales upper with 6.8mm 20" chrome-lined heavy barrel (1:9.5")l from late 2004 with a Troy fold-down front sight gas block & the "A3" upper.
This particular specimen tolerates, without apparent pressure signs and with rounded primer edges, a load of
115gr Rem FMC or HP
Remington cases
Rem 9 1/2 primers
28.4 gr H322
(I worked this load up before data was available. I now load about 27.6 gr to avoid putting too much faith in the arcane science of pressure estimation via examination of spent cases.)
As a complete rifle, with scope, it tips the scales closer to an M1A than an M4gery. I have an Xtreme upper on order from Titan, placed a couple months ago to address this (among other issues).
I can't decide if I should retail-off my M1S upper or get on the list to use the reamer to open up the chamber to the newer dimensions. Any thoughts on the newer chamber with the unnecessarily fast twist (1 in 9.5")?
FWIW, I have a Model1Sales upper with 6.8mm 20" chrome-lined heavy barrel (1:9.5")l from late 2004 with a Troy fold-down front sight gas block & the "A3" upper.
This particular specimen tolerates, without apparent pressure signs and with rounded primer edges, a load of
115gr Rem FMC or HP
Remington cases
Rem 9 1/2 primers
28.4 gr H322
(I worked this load up before data was available. I now load about 27.6 gr to avoid putting too much faith in the arcane science of pressure estimation via examination of spent cases.)
As a complete rifle, with scope, it tips the scales closer to an M1A than an M4gery. I have an Xtreme upper on order from Titan, placed a couple months ago to address this (among other issues).
I can't decide if I should retail-off my M1S upper or get on the list to use the reamer to open up the chamber to the newer dimensions. Any thoughts on the newer chamber with the unnecessarily fast twist (1 in 9.5")?
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I have an M1 16" barrel. I have been considering going SBR or a suppressor, or both, and am in line for the reamer. Waiting for an upper to come in to complete my cardinal barrel. Any one have any experience doing either with the M1 Sales?
The Xtreme upper is as economical as it gets. Next in line would be WOA(white oak armament). There are some other guys on this site doing uppers now as well like Bison armory.
You can opt for a stainless steel barrel instead of trying to hunt down a bull... they have a lil more girth than a standard barrel and more weight to them...WOA barrels are ss.
Model 1 sales will do you and you $$ an injustice so dont bother... stay away from jt distributing as well... this is in regards to the barrels and thier specs. better safe than sorry.
friends dont let friends buy shitty 6.8s'
You can opt for a stainless steel barrel instead of trying to hunt down a bull... they have a lil more girth than a standard barrel and more weight to them...WOA barrels are ss.
Model 1 sales will do you and you $$ an injustice so dont bother... stay away from jt distributing as well... this is in regards to the barrels and thier specs. better safe than sorry.
friends dont let friends buy shitty 6.8s'
Best deal Ive seen along this train of thinking is a used 18" upper by ar15performance, mid-contour and fluted (IIRC) advertised at the member sales forum on m4carbine.net. I think it's only $650.
For a good trigger, you need to define that as well. I'd check out Geissele first. I've read a lot of good about Bill Springfield's $35 trigger mod. If you want economical, though, it's hard to beat doing the "15 minute trigger job."
What do you mean by non-AR sights?
For a good trigger, you need to define that as well. I'd check out Geissele first. I've read a lot of good about Bill Springfield's $35 trigger mod. If you want economical, though, it's hard to beat doing the "15 minute trigger job."
What do you mean by non-AR sights?
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Getting in line with Paulosantos for his SPC II reamer is an inexpensive and easy way to alleviate some pressures from your tight M1S barrels' SAAMI chamber. You could work up loads like David did watching your brass, or stick with the commercial off the shelf 6.8 ammo.
We always tell shooters who already have M1S barrels the SPC II chamber reamer will help, but the over fast twist still limits you to off the shelf ammo, or careful reloads. Lowering pressures some definitely is easier on your rifle's mechanicals, especially your bolt.
For those considering M1S barrels or uppers, we tell them to look at other alternatives that have the SPC II or DMR chambers, and 1:11 or 1:12 twist. There are many available that are great values. These alternatives to M1S allow use of SSA's Tactical loads, warmer hand loads, and some of the newer higher performance 6.8 ammo that is in the works.
Some of you who have 6.8 uppers already, can just change out barrels at some point since you already have everything else. You can buy Xtreme barrels and Bison barrels for example.
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