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My goal in all is isn't to be a "know it all" or some academic jackoff, but to educate people, to encourage and embolden them to stand up for what is right even when faced with violence by those who would use it to get their way. Evil prevails with good men do nothing....don't be the "good German" who just went along to get along, learn from their mistakes.

Learn from our founders and what they did to resist tyrants, learn from men like Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn who was a Russian political prisoner in Stalinist Russia whose famous quote is as follows:

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?"

But also don't be foolish and do something out of season. Now is the time for civil disobedience and a war of words and laws. That is the best effort to prevent it from getting to a point of force on force.

But if it ever comes to a fist fight, then I already know my response and I know that I am within my right to defend my family, myself and my freedoms from those who would take them away unjustly. Knowing the time your in and the appropriate reaction however is very important.

I would encourage everyone to download, read, re-quote and distribute the attached PDF I compiled. There are 20 pages of documented history (cited sources) that so clearly explains the purpose and intent of the 2nd Amendment which make any arguments against it or to diminish it laughably pathetic, because they are. It also emboldens one to know that our struggle now is not so different from the struggle of our acenstors.

The problem is, most people are ignorant of history. They don't know their own origins nor the struggles of generations past. Disarmament and all of the arguments being used today are not new, they are just a repeat of the same crap used over and over again by evil and wicked people who want absolute power and control. I for one refuse to submit and I know quite a few active duty law enforcement and retired military guys who will not submit either or carry out such evil. It only takes a few people to stand up to give courage to those who want to but are affraid.

And don't forget that these are 5th generation warfare tactics being used now. The news and information is heavily manipulated to accomplish many goals, one goal is to divide and make individuals feel alone and helpless, your more likely to capitulate if you think there's no hope of victory. Buck the trend and look through the smoke and mirrors, know there are tens of millions of American men and women who are in the same boat, dealing the same crap and refusing to submit.

In fact, know that the MAJORITY actually elected President Trump. Nothing has changed about that, because those same people are living in society today, dealing with the lies, oppression and evil against them. They chose a symbol of good, not one of evil and secular humanism.
 

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For your viewing pleasure, some "history porn" to use the vernacular:

How do we know what the Founders really intended for this to mean? "On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed"
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p322

"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms..."
- Samuel Adams, Debates & Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87.

"No kingdom can be secured otherwise than by arming the people. The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. He, who has nothing, and who himself belongs to another, must be defended by him, whose property he is, and needs no arms. But he, who thinks he is his own master, and has what he can call his own, ought to have arms to defend himself, and what he possesses; else he lives precariously, and at discretion."
- James Burgh, Political Disquisitions: Or, an Enquiry into Public Errors, Defects, and Abuses [London, 1774- 1775]

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms…shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
- James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789)

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms"
- Tench Coxe in "Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution," Under the pseudonym "A Pennsylvanian" in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789 at 2 col. 2
 

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"Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people"
- Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788

"Those, who have the command of the arms in a country are masters of the state, and have it in their power to make what revolutions they please. [Thus,] there is no end to observations on the difference between the measures likely to be pursued by a minister backed by a standing army, and those of a court awed by the fear of an armed people."
- Aristotle, as quoted by John Trenchard and Water Moyle, An Argument Shewing, That a Standing Army Is Inconsistent with a Free Government, and Absolutely Destructive to the Constitution of the English Monarchy [London, 1697]

The laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Can it be supposed that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity...will respect the less important and arbitrary ones... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
- Quoted from Enlightenment philosopher Cesare Beccaria’s On Crimes and Punishment, 1764; translated by Jefferson and copied into his Commonplace Book of great quotations.

“Every able bodied freeman, between the ages of 16 and 50, is enrolled in the militia. … The law requires every militia-man to provide himself with the arms usual in the regular service.
- Notes on the State of Virginia, written by Jefferson, published in 1781, updated in 1782
 

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“I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy.
- letter to Giovanni Fabbroni (June 8, 1788)

“The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property, and freedom of the press.
- letter to Major John Cartwright (June 5, 1824)

Hopefully this will wet some whistles. While not all of use believe in God and that Jesus is the son of God, who came as the Lamb to buy our freedom with His blood, you still have the same rights and freedoms no matter what you believe. In that I think we have common ground in recognizing the blessings America has that no other nation has to this day.

I have a sneaking suspicion that thing are going to continue to go sideways for the "borg" and their "assimilate or die" mentality. They will create the very tools of their destruction and hang themselves with the noose they made at some point. Evil knows not but to kill, steal and destroy, including itself.

With this, I close:

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 (C.J. Boyd, Ed., 1950)
 

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I don't post here much, generally its just reading. I didn't get passed the first 15ish posts

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IF you still genuinely believe that there is an "ACTUAL" difference between the Republicans and the the Democrats I have a LOT of stuff I need to sell you. oh yea they TALK the game but I honestly cant remember the last time the Republicans FOUGHT to push back on anything the Dems do. And the last time the Republicans Nationally did anything to STRENGTHEN our gun rights I dont remember... its all talk and has been for the last 30 yrs. BTW as much as I liked Trump - have you looked at our spending for the last 4 yrs. Frankly at this point in the game I have a lot more respect for the Democrats than the Republicans, they say what they mean, they Mean what they say and they will FIGHT FOR IT. However wrong, stupid or unconstitutional it is doesn't matter to them a bit ... they FIGHT for it and they KEEP FIGHTING FOR IT until the GET IT. and last on the political end. I'm so tired hearing people say if KH gets in it will be worse, no it wont. Biden is doing what he is told just like she will just like Pelosi/Schumer will and just like his cabinet will the Dems are united in their efforts or they aren't staying there. If they have Dem by their name they are on the same page, (with a HANDFUL of exceptions that didn't do much to impress me with the election fiasco which makes me wonder if I should add this next sentence) The Republican are on the other side of the coin but they will BI Itch and moan about how they are different and fighting for our rights and how things will be different if they get elected. different if they have the majority, different if they have the house and senate, different if they have the house the senate and the Pres. GIve it all to them and there are procedural reasons that they cant get it done... the same ones the dems just go around.

2nd The Police are gonna do what they are told with few exceptions - its their job, its their lively hood I figure a few of them with say NO but no where near as many as you believe because the paycheck will be that important, until something happens that makes the juice not worth the squeeze or at least sours it.

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Everyone thinks they are going to start kicking in doors - I don't believe that will happen for a while (in the End, yes but not in the beginning) Most of us will willingly turn them in, not because we are asked to but because we have the choice of owning a gun and doing ANYTHING else. If you haven't heard of the ESG credit score.... better start reading
you will be denied EVERYTHING. I think it will be Insurance, bank services and loans (all loans; auto, business, home, personal), healthcare, etc etc etc and in the end I think it will even be groceries. Sounds NUTS I know but think about what's happening we are TRUELY becoming a Fascist Nation Big business it being asked to do what the govt cant (not actually sure they cant anymore) look at the masks - the govt has asked /MANDATED that businesses demand you wear a mask.... because we will shut you down if you don't. Now they know they can do it and most of the sheeple will fall in lock step and even ENDORSE it. So you walk in to buy insurance and they tell you we will have to search your home before we can give you a auto policy - WHY? - we have to make sure you dont have safety violations. health insurance we have to inspect your home - ANY firearm automatic denial... you can see where this goes when the govt gets in bed with business .... and they are.

you either turn in your guns or we take everything

and that puts a WHOLE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE on where this will have to go. They have already talked about reeducation for Trump voters. They talked openly about boycotting any business that backed trump or the people that worked there, firing people that supported Trump...they are TELLING YOU with EGS "we no longer care about the money" we want compliance you will be WOKE....your investments will be WOKE, your Business will be WOKE, your property will be WOKE, YOU will be WOKE...PERIOD.

this is way deeper than just guns.

I believe I remember where commerce is considered the TRUE peacekeeper

when they start telling you they dont want your commerce.

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I agree with larrys1911. This is how it will probably go down, but when you no longer have nothing to lose...you no longer have nothing to lose and the excrement will hit the fan. The problem I see is trying to organize without using monitored media.
 

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According to the founding fathers our rights are ordained by God and only God can remove them. According to the government they are the only God and our God is not real. Separate our living God from government and you seperate us from our rights given by the true God . Well at least that is what they believe .

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I agree with larrys1911. This is how it will probably go down, but when you no longer have nothing to lose...you no longer have nothing to lose and the excrement will hit the fan. The problem I see is trying to organize without using monitored media.
The Bill of Rights allows us to freely assemble and associate with like-minded. This is why the fascist mask mandate shutdown public and private gatherings.
 

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I don't post here much, generally its just reading. I didn't get passed the first 15ish posts

To the OP

IF you still genuinely believe that there is an "ACTUAL" difference between the Republicans and the the Democrats I have a LOT of stuff I need to sell you. oh yea they TALK the game but I honestly cant remember the last time the Republicans FOUGHT to push back on anything the Dems do. And the last time the Republicans Nationally did anything to STRENGTHEN our gun rights I dont remember... its all talk and has been for the last 30 yrs. BTW as much as I liked Trump - have you looked at our spending for the last 4 yrs. Frankly at this point in the game I have a lot more respect for the Democrats than the Republicans, they say what they mean, they Mean what they say and they will FIGHT FOR IT. However wrong, stupid or unconstitutional it is doesn't matter to them a bit ... they FIGHT for it and they KEEP FIGHTING FOR IT until the GET IT. and last on the political end. I'm so tired hearing people say if KH gets in it will be worse, no it wont. Biden is doing what he is told just like she will just like Pelosi/Schumer will and just like his cabinet will the Dems are united in their efforts or they aren't staying there. If they have Dem by their name they are on the same page, (with a HANDFUL of exceptions that didn't do much to impress me with the election fiasco which makes me wonder if I should add this next sentence) The Republican are on the other side of the coin but they will BI Itch and moan about how they are different and fighting for our rights and how things will be different if they get elected. different if they have the majority, different if they have the house and senate, different if they have the house the senate and the Pres. GIve it all to them and there are procedural reasons that they cant get it done... the same ones the dems just go around.

2nd The Police are gonna do what they are told with few exceptions - its their job, its their lively hood I figure a few of them with say NO but no where near as many as you believe because the paycheck will be that important, until something happens that makes the juice not worth the squeeze or at least sours it.

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Everyone thinks they are going to start kicking in doors - I don't believe that will happen for a while (in the End, yes but not in the beginning) Most of us will willingly turn them in, not because we are asked to but because we have the choice of owning a gun and doing ANYTHING else. If you haven't heard of the ESG credit score.... better start reading
you will be denied EVERYTHING. I think it will be Insurance, bank services and loans (all loans; auto, business, home, personal), healthcare, etc etc etc and in the end I think it will even be groceries. Sounds NUTS I know but think about what's happening we are TRUELY becoming a Fascist Nation Big business it being asked to do what the govt cant (not actually sure they cant anymore) look at the masks - the govt has asked /MANDATED that businesses demand you wear a mask.... because we will shut you down if you don't. Now they know they can do it and most of the sheeple will fall in lock step and even ENDORSE it. So you walk in to buy insurance and they tell you we will have to search your home before we can give you a auto policy - WHY? - we have to make sure you dont have safety violations. health insurance we have to inspect your home - ANY firearm automatic denial... you can see where this goes when the govt gets in bed with business .... and they are.

you either turn in your guns or we take everything

and that puts a WHOLE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE on where this will have to go. They have already talked about reeducation for Trump voters. They talked openly about boycotting any business that backed trump or the people that worked there, firing people that supported Trump...they are TELLING YOU with EGS "we no longer care about the money" we want compliance you will be WOKE....your investments will be WOKE, your Business will be WOKE, your property will be WOKE, YOU will be WOKE...PERIOD.

this is way deeper than just guns.

I believe I remember where commerce is considered the TRUE peacekeeper

when they start telling you they dont want your commerce.

Rant off
For the most part I agree with larrys1911. The 2 parties are sides of the same coin. This is why I have been a registered Independent for almost 20 years. The so called Patriot Act was the last straw for me.

My thinking falls more along the lines that the commies have taken over the Demonrat Party, leaving only the GOP for actual Patriots. Just as the Commies took over the Democrat party we must complete the process in the GOP that was started by President Trump, giving the GOP a spine and eliminating the Rinos.

If Patriots do nothing, the Republic is finished.
 

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I would bet people like Sharpton and Pelosi have guns in their houses and, we know they are crazy so lets go kick their doors in.

Important to relay to the ignorant. In communism the government has all the guns.
 

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I don't post here much, generally its just reading. I didn't get passed the first 15ish posts

To the OP

IF you still genuinely believe that there is an "ACTUAL" difference between the Republicans and the the Democrats I have a LOT of stuff I need to sell you. oh yea they TALK the game but I honestly cant remember the last time the Republicans FOUGHT to push back on anything the Dems do. And the last time the Republicans Nationally did anything to STRENGTHEN our gun rights I dont remember... its all talk and has been for the last 30 yrs. BTW as much as I liked Trump - have you looked at our spending for the last 4 yrs. Frankly at this point in the game I have a lot more respect for the Democrats than the Republicans, they say what they mean, they Mean what they say and they will FIGHT FOR IT. However wrong, stupid or unconstitutional it is doesn't matter to them a bit ... they FIGHT for it and they KEEP FIGHTING FOR IT until the GET IT. and last on the political end. I'm so tired hearing people say if KH gets in it will be worse, no it wont. Biden is doing what he is told just like she will just like Pelosi/Schumer will and just like his cabinet will the Dems are united in their efforts or they aren't staying there. If they have Dem by their name they are on the same page, (with a HANDFUL of exceptions that didn't do much to impress me with the election fiasco which makes me wonder if I should add this next sentence) The Republican are on the other side of the coin but they will BI Itch and moan about how they are different and fighting for our rights and how things will be different if they get elected. different if they have the majority, different if they have the house and senate, different if they have the house the senate and the Pres. GIve it all to them and there are procedural reasons that they cant get it done... the same ones the dems just go around.

2nd The Police are gonna do what they are told with few exceptions - its their job, its their lively hood I figure a few of them with say NO but no where near as many as you believe because the paycheck will be that important, until something happens that makes the juice not worth the squeeze or at least sours it.

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Everyone thinks they are going to start kicking in doors - I don't believe that will happen for a while (in the End, yes but not in the beginning) Most of us will willingly turn them in, not because we are asked to but because we have the choice of owning a gun and doing ANYTHING else. If you haven't heard of the ESG credit score.... better start reading
you will be denied EVERYTHING. I think it will be Insurance, bank services and loans (all loans; auto, business, home, personal), healthcare, etc etc etc and in the end I think it will even be groceries. Sounds NUTS I know but think about what's happening we are TRUELY becoming a Fascist Nation Big business it being asked to do what the govt cant (not actually sure they cant anymore) look at the masks - the govt has asked /MANDATED that businesses demand you wear a mask.... because we will shut you down if you don't. Now they know they can do it and most of the sheeple will fall in lock step and even ENDORSE it. So you walk in to buy insurance and they tell you we will have to search your home before we can give you a auto policy - WHY? - we have to make sure you dont have safety violations. health insurance we have to inspect your home - ANY firearm automatic denial... you can see where this goes when the govt gets in bed with business .... and they are.

you either turn in your guns or we take everything

and that puts a WHOLE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE on where this will have to go. They have already talked about reeducation for Trump voters. They talked openly about boycotting any business that backed trump or the people that worked there, firing people that supported Trump...they are TELLING YOU with EGS "we no longer care about the money" we want compliance you will be WOKE....your investments will be WOKE, your Business will be WOKE, your property will be WOKE, YOU will be WOKE...PERIOD.

this is way deeper than just guns.

I believe I remember where commerce is considered the TRUE peacekeeper

when they start telling you they dont want your commerce.

Rant off
I agree with almost everything you have said. Except I don't think it will get to the social credit score for the purposes of control. One of the dirty little secrets is that the socialists always make themselves look like they have everything in their pockets. For the most part they do with social media, but there is one huge buffer to protect people and that is Federalism. Look at what is starting to happen in many states such as Arkansas, West Virginia (Bill Status - Complete Resolution History (wvlegislature.gov) ), Texas, and Florida. They are making stands against any unconstitutional laws. There are now 19 states with constitutional carry. One way to really fight back against all this is to ensure Sheriffs are elected that at very constitutionally minded. I bring up VA as an example in that most the county sheriffs refuse to enforce the state gun laws because they are unconstitutional, not just the 2A but the VA constitution. I assess that the Red states will continue to put into provisions to counter unconstitutional laws.

One of the huge issues is being blocked by woke corporations... money always talks and there will always be businesses willing to take it, if banks go down that route... there are a ton of credit unions that are smaller businesses that are not woke. If anything I see economics going back to a more local level then global or national. Many gun manufactures are moving to friendly states that will defend them. You hear stories about how large banks are not giving business loans to gun stores, well most those stories have a happy ending because they get their funding from the next guy.

I agree that Washington D.C. is doomed. There will be so many laws that will ensure (in their minds) our obedience. But there is hope, move to a solid Red state. They are fighting back, and will probably get hurt through withholding of federal funds, bring your tax dollars to those states (there are opportunities everywhere for those that need work). Vote with your feet and cash.

The left is panicked. The lashing out at every election law as "racist" is a sign of desperation. They didn't have this level of reaction when voting laws were passed over the last several years that require ID. If IDs are required they will loose and they know it. This includes the Senate seat in GA in 2022. It will not take much to undo the damage done by the leftists (both Rs and Ds). The leftist Rs have already given a map of who to primary (the issue is that many people within the republican party are progressives that say anything to get into power). Vetting will be very important.

I guess I'm still optimistic that it will turn around (in some areas). A Civil War will be more like red counties verses larger cities.... But if it comes to mandatory buy-backs and social credit scores... the lawful will become the outlaws. Our military forces could not beat the Taliban with everything we have. How would policing actions hold up against an insurrection and asymmetric warfare here? There are millions of people in this country that have not hit their threshold yet, but will.... and are preparing.
 

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I would bet people like Sharpton and Pelosi have guns in their houses and, we know they are crazy so lets go kick their doors in.
Do as I say, not as I do!! Pick both of them up and see how far you can throw them. I trust them that much.
And wasn't Sharpton (the Obama butt kisser with a head like a bastard cat) dealing with a tax thing? :rolleyes::oops: Move on. Nothing to see here. Just the "double standard" thing in action.
Ever feel like WE the American voters don't count unless you're a butt kisser??
The last 4+ years have really shown us how the scum rises to the top. :mad:

And I'll add, I think the American voter/people are smarter then the lefties think we are. My guess is, most have seen exactly what the left is doing and it won't be long before we get REAL tired of them pushing the crap at us. Just try your crap and see how far it gets you. :eek: And anybody that rolls over and takes their crap deserves exactly what they get. We should be ashamed we ever let it get this far. :oops:
 

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Reeducating myself on a few things. Teaching myself better ways...Some place's, it's straight up and down. smarter, not stronger. It's a pain getting old. But where I live it's basically don't screw with us old [email protected]#ks, we will teach you a thing or two.
 

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In either case we have a one party system masquerading as two.
Agreed on the one party system. The majority of Repugnicrats and Democrats are one in the same, part of the same root system of a single tree. The ax must fall on the trunk of the tree and the whole thing will fall. There are a few decent senators and congressmen fighting for the people, but not many, not nearly enough.

However I disagree that a social credit system will be nationally implemented with any success. It wouldn't surprise me if they tried, but it will fail miserably as the social structure and heritage of America is vastly different than say China. Remember we have state governments and while there are quite a few problems there as well (each state is it's own case), there are still a significant number of states with reasonably functional governments. And the larger majority of Americans actually voted for President Trump and what he represents, not Senilator Biden and Communist Harris. Those state government officials are a lot closer to the people they govern and there's a diverse and complex ecosystem in each state.

The Federal Gov. does not have the power to just arbitrarily enact and force the states to do whatever it wants. The states also have their own police and military which they have ultimate authority over. The states actually have the real resources the Federal government depends on, in reality they can go tit for tat and deny the federal government crucial supplies, personnel or even access within their own boarders. I HIGHLY doubt the US Military would comply with the use of force against other American forces especially when a good portion of them did NOT vote for Senilator Biden in the first place. You would end up with a significant fracture in the chain of command and function would start to break down.

There are always creative ways to circumvent such things, ways to fight back and when pressed, some states are going to band together and fight back in ways that matter. Both Florida and Texas are very important for commerce given their costal nature, then we have Georgia which is dealing with it's own internal corruption which is another important costal state...Some states are simply going to refuse regardless of what the Federal government does or says when it tries to usurp the authority of the states to self govern.

These "gun bans" not only violate the Bill of Rights at a Federally recognized level, they violate individual state constitutions as well which actually carry a higher authority within their own boundaries. This is why your starting to see states say "Piss off" by writing their own laws nullifying any further "gun control" measures within their own jusidiction.
 

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"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power
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to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms"
- Tench Coxe in "Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution," Und

"Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people"
- Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms has been recognized by the General Government; but the best security of that right after all is, the military spirit, that taste for martial exercises, which has always distinguished the free citizens of these States...Such men form the best barrier to the liberties of America,"
- Gazette of the United States, October 14, 1789

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms"
- James Madison, The Federalist Papers #46 at 243-244

"No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
- Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution , 1 T. Jefferson Papers, 334 ( C. J. Boyd, Ed., 1950)

"The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them."
- Zachariah Johnson, 3 Elliot, Debates at 646

"the ultimate authority ... resides in the people alone,"
- James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, in Federalist Paper #463

"Those, who have the command of the arms in a country are masters of the state, and have it in their power to make what revolutions they please. [Thus,] there is no end to observations on the difference between the measures likely to be pursued by a minister backed by a standing army, and those of a court awed by the fear of an armed people."
- Aristotle, as quoted by John Trenchard and Water Moyle, An Argument Shewing, That a Standing Army Is Inconsistent with a Free Government, and Absolutely Destructive to the Constitution of the English Monarchy [London, 1697]
 

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“No freeman shall be debarred the use of arms [within his own lands or tenements].”
- Draft Constitution for Virginia; June 13, 1776 (brackets in Jefferson’s original)

“Every able bodied freeman, between the ages of 16 and 50, is enrolled in the militia. … The law requires every militia-man to provide himself with the arms usual in the regular service.
- Notes on the State of Virginia, written by Jefferson, published in 1781, updated in 1782
 

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Why Wyo For Me? Here's a Few Whys.

1. All citizens age 17-70 are in the militia.
2. County Sherriffs have superior authority over any State or Federal LEO.
4. "A Firearm Registry" of firearms or citizens is specifically illegal.
5. Any firearm, accessory or ammunition made in Wyoming is not subject to any Federal laws, regulation or tax as long as it stays in Wyoming and is marked 'Made in the State of Wyoming'.


Wyoming State Constitution
ARTICLE 17
STATE MILITIA
Sec. 1. Of whom militia constituted. The militia of the state shall consist of all able-bodied qualified residents of the state, and those nonresidents who are accepted into service, between the ages of seventeen (17) and seventy (70) years; except those exempted by the law of the United States or of the state. But all residents having scruples of conscience averse to bearing arms shall be excused therefrom upon conditions as shall be prescribed by law.

Ratified in 1890, this section was amended in 2000 and approved by a vote of the citizens of Wyoming.

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WYOMING SHERIFFS PUT FEDERAL OFFICERS ON NOTICE

County sheriffs in Wyoming are insisting that all federal law enforcement officers and personnel from federal regulatory agencies must clear all their activities in a Wyoming county with the Sheriff's Office. Speaking at a press conference following the recent US District Court decision case No 2:96-cv-099-J) Bighorn County Sheriff Dave Mattis stated that all federal officials are forbidden to enter his county without his prior approval.

"If a sheriff doesn't want the Feds in his county he has the constitutional power and right to keep them out or ask them to leave or retain them in custody." The court decision came about after Mattis & other members of the Wyoming Sheriffs' Association brought a suit against both the BATF and the IRS in the Wyoming federal court district seeking restoration of the protections enshrined in the United States Constitution and the Wyoming Constitution. The District Court ruled in favor of the sheriffs, stating that, "Wyoming is a sovereign state and the duly elected sheriff of a county is the highest law enforcement official within a county and has law enforcement powers exceeding that of any other state or federal official."

The Wyoming sheriffs are demanding access to all BATF files to verify that the agency is not violating provisions of Wyoming law that prohibit the registration of firearms or the keeping of a registry of firearm owners. The sheriffs are also demanding that federal agencies immediately cease the seizure of private property and the impoundment of private bank accounts without regard to due process in state courts.

Sheriff Mattis stated, "I am reacting to the actions of federal employees who have attempted to deprive citizens of my county of their privacy, their liberty, and their property without regard to constitutional safeguards. I hope that more sheriffs all across America will join us in protecting their citizens from the illegal activities of the IRS, EPA, BATF, FBI, or any other federal agency that is operating outside the confines of constitutional law. Employees of the IRS and the EPA are no longer welcome in Bighorn County unless they intend to operate in conformance to constitutional law."

This case is evidence that the Tenth Amendment is not yet dead in the United States. It may also be interpreted to mean that political subdivisions of a State are included within the meaning of the amendment, or that the powers exercised by a sheriff are an extension of those common law powers which the Tenth Amendment explicitly reserves to the People, if they are not granted to the federal government and specifically prohibited to the States.

Case Notes:
Case: Castaneda v. USA
Filed: 10th May 1996
Closed: 29th April 1997
Case No: 2:1996cv00099 Wyoming District Court, Casper
Nature of Suit: Civil Rights

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State of Wyoming Senate File 81 and House Bill 124 – the Second Amendment Preservation Act. If enacted, federal laws “that limit the right to bear arms” would be invalidated in Wyoming. Anyone trying to enforce federal laws would be penalized.
Wyoming Sheriffs support but voice concern over 2A Preservation Bill langusge.


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HB0095-Wyoming Firearms Freedom Act-2

(Enacted 2010)
6‑8‑404. Regulation by state of firearms, firearms accessories and ammunition manufactured in Wyoming; exceptions.

(a) A personal firearm, a firearm accessory or ammunition that is manufactured commercially or privately in Wyoming and that remains exclusively within the borders of Wyoming is not subject to federal law, federal taxation or federal regulation.
 
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