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The 5.56 Recon polygonal barrels will be here in a month so what do you guys think Chrome or Nitride? These barrels are lapped to a match finish and should be very accurate right off the machine. Chrome is corrosion resistant but may not be as accurate. Nitride makes the barrel apx 70 Rockwell, to hard to cut with anything but is not as resistant as chrome.
Edited- after researching and talking to the company that performs this process it seems that both the inside and outside of the barrels are more resistant to the salt spray test than are chrome-lined barrels.
 

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You would run two threads asking the same thing. You have me chasing down threads to stay on topic! :D

You answered my question from the other thread somewhat here...

Is the expected barrel life / round count similar with the two processes? How about accuracy differences of identical barrels, one chrome lined, the other nitrided?

I like chrome lining more for the longer barrel life, than the corrosion protection.Then again, I haven't worn out a barrel anyway so go figure. Does the nitride offer similar barrel life?
 

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IMO Nitriding is harder than chrome, diamond bits are the only thing that will cut it. They should out last chrome and not have the chrome issues.
I'll dig around on the net tonight after things slow down to see what others say about their experiences with Nitriding.
 

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IMO Nitriding is harder than chrome, diamond bits are the only thing that will cut it. They should out last chrome and not have the chrome issues.
I'll dig around on the net tonight after things slow down to see what others say about their experiences with Nitriding.
Wouldn't chrome have a better peak performance life and more wear resitance as opposed to nitride?
 

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I am not an expert by any means with either process, I am just looking at it from a shooting perspective. That being said if the chrome line produces groups (just a guess) .75-1.00 MOA and the Nitride can produce something like .65-.85 my vote would be chrome. Not knowing the full difference between the two I would be hard pressed to not go with the standard chrome even if accuracy suffers a tad. You are the expert H, get what you think is best! I will still be grinning ear to ear :D.
 

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This is what the guys at LWRC says.
Ferritic Nitrocarburizing Information The standard M6 barrel features a ferritic salt bath nitro carburized interior and exterior finish. This finishing process is also applied to the barrel extension and gas port. This finishing process is a surface conversion process in place of industrial hard chrome and is therefore inherently free from nodules, flaking, pits, stripping, or anode burrs. The process results in chemical and structural composition changes that can be described as a case hardening to a depth of 0.005" of the alloy leading to increased surface hardness, lower coefficient of friction, enhanced surface lubricity, improved running wear performance, increased sliding wear resistance, enhanced corrosion resistance and heat resistance over industrial hard chrome. Since the process is a surface conversion and does not add material to the internal dimension of the bore, the barrels can be hammer forged on size over a very precise polished rifle mandrel. With hard chrome, the bore must be manufactured oversized or honed and electro-polished to make the interior dimension oversized making room for the chrome plating. This plating is inconsistent which is the reason sniper or target barrels are typically not chromed. Nitrocarburizing has proven superior as a surface finish to phosphating to oxidization when subjected to MIL-STD-810f salt fog/spray testing and is a scratch resistant flat black finish.

In addition the barrel extension and gas port are also surface converted minimizing barrel extension wear, increasing corrosion resistance and limiting gas port erosion. Cross sectional analysis done by HP White Laboratories before and after nitro carburizing proved the surface conversion process does not negatively interfere with the heat treat or temper of the barrel extension. LWRCI contracted HP White to conduct these tests.

The ferritic salt bath nitro carburizing process has been proven by independent testing to be superior to chromium plating both it terms of corrosion resistance and abrasion resistance, lubricity and wear. It has been long adopted by FAMAE of Chile for use in all government small arms, and also by the Polish Military. It has been adopted by Sig Arms for use in their carbines, Glock in their pistol bores and various other large military arms manufacturers with excellent results.

And this is from a trade publication
FERRITIC NITROCARBURIZING accomplishes surface treatment of
a part in the ferrite region of the iron-carbon equilibrium diagram (Fig. 1).
As the process takes place in the ferrite region, both nitrogen and carbon
diffuse into the steel surface. The process is categorized as a thermochemical
treatment and is carried out at temperatures between 525 and 650 °C
(975 and 1200 °F); the typical process temperature is approximately 565 °C
(1050 °F). The purpose of the process is to diffuse nitrogen and carbon
atoms into a solid solution of iron, thus entrapping the diffused atoms in the
interstitial lattice spaces in the steel structure (Ref 1).
As with the nitriding procedure, there are many methods and derivatives
of ferritic nitrocarburizing. These are discussed in the chapters that
follow.​
Process Benefits​
Ferritic nitrocarburizing improves the surface characteristics of plain
carbon steels, low-alloy steels, cast irons, and sintered ferrous alloys. As
described in later sections of this chapter, resistance to wear, fatigue, and
corrosion are improved with the introduction of nitrogen and carbon.​
Scuffing resistance​
means the resistance to wear on the metal surface.
This is accomplished by changing the nature of the surface compound
layer, which is also known as the white layer. The completed
compound layer will form with both epsilon (
ε) and gamma prime (γ ′)
phases. The dominant
ε-phase resists abrasive wear.

Fatigue properties​
of steel are greatly improved by altering the composition
of the compound layer. This means that treated steel has greater
resistance to fatigue failure than an untreated steel (Ref 1).

Corrosion Resistance.​
After ferritic nitrocarburizing, steel parts can
withstand many hours in a salt spray environment, whereas an untreated

plain carbon steel will fail the corrosion test very rapidly.
 

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Ok, I'm sold.

Couple questions

1. Will this work for the most current run of barrels since I assume they were ordered "oversized" for the chrome lining?
2. Will this change the price?
+1 for same questions
 

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Same question as before which one would you shoot and then that will be fine by me.:)
 

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I would like to know how the heat added to the steel to nitride it would affect its stress. IN other words, would running a barrel through the treatment add stress to the steel to where when you shoot it it starts to walk.
 

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I would like to know how the heat added to the steel to nitride it would affect its stress. IN other words, would running a barrel through the treatment add stress to the steel to where when you shoot it it starts to walk.
Of course everyone says no if done properly it will not but, I want to see that for myself. Thats why I am going to test the blank I have here first.
I have shot a barrel that has been nitrided before but I'd like to test another one of a little better quality.
 

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Of course everyone says no if done properly it will not but, I want to see that for myself. Thats why I am going to test the blank I have here first.
I have shot a barrel that has been nitrided before but I'd like to test another one of a little better quality.
IT would be reasonable to think if done right it would actually releave some of the stress in a barrel, but it might also warp the bore in the process. Then again, if it's already been stress relieved properly, it should not matter. I'd be curious to learn what you find out.
 

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I think after you test maybe you could switch your MK68 barrels to it if you think its worth it...... keep the Xtreme's chrome and the lothar barrels this coating....
 

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The other thing I'd like to know is if it can be done to stainless. If it can, then I'm sold on it now.
 

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I have several of the nitraded barrels and they seem to clean up easier than my chrome barrels. I went through a carbine course in May and fired 1200 rounds through an LWRC M6A1 in 5.56 with the Nitraded barrel and only ran a bore snake at the end of each day. When I cleaned the barrel at the end of the week it was pretty easy. I used Slip 2000 gun degreaser and let it sit in the bore for about 10 to 15 minutes and ran a bore brush ten times. A few patches to dry and a few more patches with Slip2000 EWL and the barrel was shiny clean. To the naked eye all my nitraded barrels still look new but I don't have a bore scope.
 
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