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Cheap Lightweight Bullets

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Now that brass and components are now more available. Does anyone know or can speculate when something like speer 90gr tnt and of course the "other" 90gr may come available?
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One thing I was told a couple of weeks ago is that everything should start becoming more available starting the end of February. Take it with a huge grain of salt. I have seen where Winchester has a new temp stable powder that I didn't see load data for less than two weeks ago but it is there now. This means that there is a slight chance that availability could be improving soon.

But don't expect anything to be cheap.
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Now that brass and components are now more available. Does anyone know or can speculate when something like speer 90gr tnt and of course the "other" 90gr may come available?
Nothing wrong with emailing Speer and asking.
Speer said they have no way to tell when and where one would be able to find 90 sp, tnt and 115 sp.
Did they say when they would make more?
No. Perhaps they do not know there is demand for it.
At this point I suspect that they are filling backorders and don't have the excess capacity to make the TNT. Depending on how their production lines are set up, it it likely that 277 bullets are built on the same line as 30 cal. Unless they have committed to fill a particular order of ammo with the 90 grain TNT, they will be producing whatever they make the most money on and can run without having to retool the production line.
Every time they switch to make another bullet, they lose a lot of time changing out tooling and verifying that all the machines are producing in-spec product. This reduces the total bullet output and profit. They make the most money running the 308 and 223 bullets continuously until the market is saturated.
I once worked for factory that got a new manager who saw a bunch of old machines sitting idle and decided to sell them. He reasoned that we could just switch the tooling on the remaining machines when needed. He did not understand the huge amount of lost production every time a tooling switch was made and we soon were unable to fulfill a significant number of orders. Those old machine sat idle a lot of the time, but they were set up and ready to start production almost immediately. Because we made so many different products, our productivity dropped dramatically when we tried to retool machines much more frequently. Within a year, that factory was shut down.
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One thing I was told a couple of weeks ago is that everything should start becoming more available starting the end of February. Take it with a huge grain of salt. I have seen where Winchester has a new temp stable powder that I didn't see load data for less than two weeks ago but it is there now. This means that there is a slight chance that availability could be improving soon.

But don't expect anything to be cheap.
I have to ask who told you this? At this point anyone who continues to wait, for anything, from eggs to ammo has only themselves to blame.
At this point I suspect that they are filling backorders and don't have the excess capacity to make the TNT. Depending on how their production lines are set up, it it likely that 277 bullets are built on the same line as 30 cal. Unless they have committed to fill a particular order of ammo with the 90 grain TNT, they will be producing whatever they make the most money on and can run without having to retool the production line.
Every time they switch to make another bullet, they lose a lot of time changing out tooling and verifying that all the machines are producing in-spec product. This reduces the total bullet output and profit. They make the most money running the 308 and 223 bullets continuously until the market is saturated.
I once worked for factory that got a new manager who saw a bunch of old machines sitting idle and decided to sell them. He reasoned that we could just switch the tooling on the remaining machines when needed. He did not understand the huge amount of lost production every time a tooling switch was made and we soon were unable to fulfill a significant number of orders. Those old machine sat idle a lot of the time, but they were set up and ready to start production almost immediately. Because we made so many different products, our productivity dropped dramatically when we tried to retool machines much more frequently. Within a year, that factory was shut down.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Amazing how management sunk the company for a few dollars in the short run. It would appear that everyone has gotten their fill of 556 and 308. Big boxes like must be choking from it. My local sheels has had br4 primers instock ($14.00 per 100) for a couple weeks now, and 308 about to spill off the shelf. Not much powder at Sheels. Also saw that consumer spending weak up like 1%, no surprise in outdoor. I think vista had sorta crappy YOY sales, and a smaller manufacturer came on one of the short lists. Anyhow, FWIW maybe there will be a little chance to finish rounding everything up here in next 6-12 months.
One thing I was told a couple of weeks ago is that everything should start becoming more available starting the end of February. Take it with a huge grain of salt. I have seen where Winchester has a new temp stable powder that I didn't see load data for less than two weeks ago but it is there now. This means that there is a slight chance that availability could be improving soon.

But don't expect anything to be cheap.
I was actually told the same thing from my local reloading supply shop.
I have to ask who told you this? At this point anyone who continues to wait, for anything, from eggs to ammo has only themselves to blame.
This was a guy behind the counter at CAL Ranch in ShowLow. They had a fair selection on the shelves even if it was sparce. Tomorrow I will be going to Bruno's in Phoenix to check things out and pick up a couple of things for myself and friends. I have seen two of the new Winchester StaBall powders on the shelf now with the third offered on-line. Primers are being offered by more outlets even if the prices are 3 times what they used to be.
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