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I was curious of the value of this gun. It is supposed to be original with the forged reciever and wood stocks. Are these guns accurate and what is the value of them. Would these be a good gun to have especially as a shtf gun that might be needed? Any cetme guru's out there? Thanks for the help.
 

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I don't own one but I have shot one and the accuracy sucked... which could have been because the sights sucked. If I remember right it was 5-6 MOA at 100.
The gun did function fine though.
 

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i have a CETME the acc depends on what one you have they are all rebuilds if you have a good you you can get 1.5 moa out of it or better but that is if you can get a good one made by MARS/Springfield and imported in the 80s or a CAI limited edition one with a cast receiver. The reg CAI ones may have some problems depending n how there trained chips were feeling they had a giant problem in the the early 2000s with there sights being put on the reservoir at a cant and not being to get groups at all with them and using shout out old balers but after there parts kits ran out in 2004 and they started having new barrels made the ACC improved a lot. I love mine i have one of the LE ones with the cast receiver it shoots 1.3-2 moa with good surplus ammo it will shoot a lot better with good ammo It was going to be my go to shift gun but now with the 6.8 she is being retired and the 6.8 is taking her place but i am still stocking ammo for it it is a blast to shoot and once you get them broken in they will run for ever for you with no probs.

If you have any questions about CETMES send me a pm and i can answer them more directly

and for prices if it is a MARS/Springfield gun witch are raire the last one i saw was about a grand the CIA guns are 600-800 lastime i saw one All CETMES are getting scares sens the parts kits were used up and no new ones are being imported
 

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I picked up a CETME at a gunshow about eight or nine years ago. Paid about $400. It is a Century Arms rework. "Post Ban" model sans bayonet lug and with a welded on muzzle brake/comp. Saw an identical rifle at a gun show two weeks ago with a bit of wear and typically overpriced with a $1000 price tag. I doubt it would sell for that even with the gun show mania lately.

Having sent well over 500 rds down range it never has had any issues at all. The CETME can rock just like the H&K 91. Reliable, sturdy and accurate. It is simple and easy to maintain. There may be rifles out there that were not rebuilt well or have issues but I would trust my life to the one I have.
It will regularly digest some serious crap 3rd world surplus ammo and just keep running. It will mangle your brass but the fluted chamber makes for easy extraction.

The iron sights worked fine before I needed glasses. Scoped, as it is now, it will shoot 3 shot groups at 100 yds, between 1.5" and 2" always. Better with Hirtenberger or US made ammo. But why shoot 3 shot groups when you have a mag full of 20? With the muzzle brake/comp keeping the sights in line it can keep rounds on target at a very, very fast rate.

I stocked up on Spanish mags years ago at dirt cheap prices. Some German H&K 91 mags will fit. The cheap and lightweight 20 rd aluminum H&K 91 mags feed and function just fine in my CETME. They feel so thin as to be disposable compared to the orig. Spanish mags or steel German mags.

There were CETME rifles brought in before the Assault Rifle Ban years ago. Look for the Bayo lug and flashhider. Most I believe had Poplar wood stocks. A recoil buffer made by Buffer Technologies is worth the money. Tapco used to have a few accessories in the catalog.

When you look at the history of H&K much of it begins just after WW2 with expat German arms engineers werking in Spain and developing the CETME. It went through some seriously experimental itterations. The ammo originally developed for this concept was out of the box, wild, radical really. A unique and correctly called "assault rifle" cartridge. The original chambering was not 7.62mm x 51mm NATO. It was for a lower power cartridge with a composite bullet that had an aluminum tip and core component, a big exposed alum. tip. Looked more like a miniture artillery round in 30 cal. The CETME has it's roots in the family tree along with the MG42 and FG42 and Stg 44. It is not second rate to the H&K 91. It is it's father.
 

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I have one of the uncanted sight Century CETMEs with the cast stainless receiver. It was very tight at first, but has never failed to function. A good upgrade is to (re)install the lower mag release lever of the originals. This greatly improves mag changes. I had to buy 2 parts kits to get one... And yes, the steel Spanish mags are hell for stout, real bargain when they were selling for $2 each.

It'll do 2-3MOA @ 100 yds. with good ammo.

Zeroing the front sight can be a PITA without the adjustment tool - TAPCO used to sell 'em, don't know if they still do...

For whatever reason (different buffer?), CETMEs do not have the felt recoil of an HK91, even tho' they're functionally similar.

I was able to download a pdf of a translated Spanish Army manual, which was helpful. Can't remember what site I got it from.
 

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If I was going to use a 308 as a SHTF rifle the Cetme/G3/HK91 would be it.
Iron sight suck, all of them when you get older. You can buy a humongo scope mt or you can have someone tig weld a small steel rail or steel pads to mount an aluminum rail to the receiver and then use a low pro red dot of some kind. Aimpoints in high mounts on the HK clones are just too high.
Most new PTR 91s go for apx. $1150, you can't build a 91 clone for less than $800. Cetmes aren't quite as good as the G3/91 clone but it's close IMO. I believe anything under $750 would be a good deal but I wouldn't hesitate at $900 either.

I have a 91 but, can anyone verify G3 mags will fit in a Cetme, that could be a very important piece of the puzzle. If the answer is no then I might pass.
G3 mags can be found for $2.99, try Copes dist.http://www.copesdistributing.net/index.php?cPath=32_41
 

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What does everyone think of Norinco sks? I am just asking because I have the opp to pick either one up pretty cheaply And would qant it as a shtf back-up. To the 6.8 and my other 308. Somewhere around $300 for the sks and $750 for the cetme. I was wanting to gather info because I wll get one this weekend.
Iknow the sks is 7.62x39 That is what is kind of drawing me to. This would sit in the backof the safe and probably pulled out a couple of times a year for practice but wouldn't be used for anything else except back-up or barter.
 

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What does everyone think of Norinco sks? I am just asking because I have the opp to pick either one up pretty cheaply And would qant it as a shtf back-up. To the 6.8 and my other 308. Somewhere around $300 for the sks and $750 for the cetme. I was wanting to gather info because I wll get one this weekend
I personally think pretty highly of my Norinco SKS, but I picked mine up for 150 bucks. Real solid gun, and seems higher quality than my Yugo model
 

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What does everyone think of Norinco sks? I am just asking because I have the opp to pick either one up pretty cheaply And would qant it as a shtf back-up. To the 6.8 and my other 308. Somewhere around $300 for the sks and $750 for the cetme. I was wanting to gather info because I wll get one this weekend
I personally think pretty highly of my Norinco SKS, but I picked mine up for 150 bucks. Real solid gun, and seems higher quality than my Yugo model
Are the mags detachable? This is supposed to be able to use the ak mags. Of course after reading this Constructor does drive a hard point.
 

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What does everyone think of Norinco sks? I am just asking because I have the opp to pick either one up pretty cheaply And would qant it as a shtf back-up. To the 6.8 and my other 308. Somewhere around $300 for the sks and $750 for the cetme. I was wanting to gather info because I wll get one this weekend
I personally think pretty highly of my Norinco SKS, but I picked mine up for 150 bucks. Real solid gun, and seems higher quality than my Yugo model
Are the mags detachable? This is supposed to be able to use the ak mags. Of course after reading this Constructor does drive a hard point.
Not on mine they arent. Mine has the fixed mag, but wouldnt be hard to use the SKS mags, just didnt want to hassle. Figure if I ever need more than 10 shots, Ill have someone reload while I move on to the next weapon!
 

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jamesb74 said:
What does everyone think of Norinco sks? I am just asking because I have the opp to pick either one up pretty cheaply And would qant it as a shtf back-up. To the 6.8 and my other 308. Somewhere around $300 for the sks and $750 for the cetme. I was wanting to gather info because I wll get one this weekend
I personally think pretty highly of my Norinco SKS, but I picked mine up for 150 bucks. Real solid gun, and seems higher quality than my Yugo model
Are the mags detachable? This is supposed to be able to use the ak mags. Of course after reading this Constructor does drive a hard point.
Not on mine they arent. Mine has the fixed mag, but wouldnt be hard to use the SKS mags, just didnt want to hassle. Figure if I ever need more than 10 shots, Ill have someone reload while I move on to the next weapon!
What do you have to do to change them this one might already be done it is coming with a 30 rd detachable clip. Constructor makes me think twice about this. ( We are trusting him to make a upper that our lives might depend on. So I definitly value his opinion) At the same time I can put this in the back with two thousand rounds and come out cheaper than if I just got the cetme. I have a dependable 308. The sad thing is I love having to make these decisions. " hmmmmm which gun to buy"
 

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Well, after looking at the going rate for SKSs that take AK mags, I would definately spring for one of those. I had a chance to buy a CETME once for 500, but had to pass it up. If I was going to get a CETME type rifle, I would have to go with a PTR 91. Do a lil research on them. From waht I remember, after the AWB, PTR decided it would be easier to just buy old original H&K machinery and make their own rifles. Ive heard many good things about them, and they are brand new and made in the good ole USA. http://www.ptr91.com/ And they can be had for a little over 1000.00.

As for the SKS question, its cheaper to stockpile surplus 7.62 X39 than it is to stockpile 308. The SKS is a solid gun and the parts are mucho cheapo! Also if you get a basic 03 C&R license, you can actually buy an SKS online and have it shipped to your house!
 

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I was using GUnbroker as a reference. It is reasonably priced. Seems like a good deal.
 

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I have a 91 but, can anyone verify G3 mags will fit in a Cetme, that could be a very important piece of the puzzle. If the answer is no then I might pass.
G3 mags can be found for $2.99, try Copes dist.http://www.copesdistributing.net/index.php?cPath=32_41
Yes H&K mags do fit the CETME some need a little fitting but they work fine that is all i use in mine
 

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+1 on the HK mags in the CETME, especially the aluminum ones. Sometimes the steel HK mags are a little tight, but I got lots of CETME mags if I want steel...

As for the SKS, if you can find one of the milled 16" barrelled "paratrooper" versions, it's quite handy. Also, some of the aftermarket extended magazines can be troublesome, reloading the fixed 10rd mag is pretty fast using strippers. If you want a full-size SKS, the Yugo is the way to go, much better workmanship and generally more accurate (and the stocks are sized for non-asians).
 

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jamesb74 said:
ron169 said:
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What does everyone think of Norinco sks? I am just asking because I have the opp to pick either one up pretty cheaply And would qant it as a shtf back-up. To the 6.8 and my other 308. Somewhere around $300 for the sks and $750 for the cetme. I was wanting to gather info because I wll get one this weekend
I personally think pretty highly of my Norinco SKS, but I picked mine up for 150 bucks. Real solid gun, and seems higher quality than my Yugo model
Are the mags detachable? This is supposed to be able to use the ak mags. Of course after reading this Constructor does drive a hard point.
Not on mine they arent. Mine has the fixed mag, but wouldnt be hard to use the SKS mags, just didnt want to hassle. Figure if I ever need more than 10 shots, Ill have someone reload while I move on to the next weapon!
What do you have to do to change them this one might already be done it is coming with a 30 rd detachable clip. Constructor makes me think twice about this. ( We are trusting him to make a upper that our lives might depend on. So I definitly value his opinion) At the same time I can put this in the back with two thousand rounds and come out cheaper than if I just got the cetme. I have a dependable 308. The sad thing is I love having to make these decisions. " hmmmmm which gun to buy"
Thanks for that thought but, I heard something thats fits recently
"I'm just a peckerhead that lives in the woods with too many guns"
 

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jamesb74 said:
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[quote="jamesb74":1gvvbvvj]What does everyone think of Norinco sks? I am just asking because I have the opp to pick either one up pretty cheaply And would qant it as a shtf back-up. To the 6.8 and my other 308. Somewhere around $300 for the sks and $750 for the cetme. I was wanting to gather info because I wll get one this weekend
I personally think pretty highly of my Norinco SKS, but I picked mine up for 150 bucks. Real solid gun, and seems higher quality than my Yugo model
Are the mags detachable? This is supposed to be able to use the ak mags. Of course after reading this Constructor does drive a hard point.
Not on mine they arent. Mine has the fixed mag, but wouldnt be hard to use the SKS mags, just didnt want to hassle. Figure if I ever need more than 10 shots, Ill have someone reload while I move on to the next weapon!
What do you have to do to change them this one might already be done it is coming with a 30 rd detachable clip. Constructor makes me think twice about this. ( We are trusting him to make a upper that our lives might depend on. So I definitly value his opinion) At the same time I can put this in the back with two thousand rounds and come out cheaper than if I just got the cetme. I have a dependable 308. The sad thing is I love having to make these decisions. " hmmmmm which gun to buy"
Thanks for that thought but, I heard something thats fits recently
"I'm just a peckerhead that lives in the woods with too many guns"[/quote:1gvvbvvj]

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