[BLACK LION]

I am going to purchase an NP3 receiver from nodakspud.

That is where I will begin.

Anyone have experience here. Where should I accquire the barrel and necessary parts.
I know what trigger group, handguards, grip, stock and forend to get but thats it.

I have no clue what I am doing here.

 

[marinesg1012]

AK47.... boo hiss.....

 

[dark1]

AK47.... boo hiss.....

maby re hamber a Ak-47 or 74 in 6.8 or a valmat

the only AK like gun i want is a M-76 yugo sniper rifle 8mm =)

 

[BLACK LION]

Yah yah yah yah... I want to build a practice/trunk rig. I would never leave my AR in the trunk, nor would I be happy with it getting confiscated... a friggin ak receiver is 60.00 and parts are dirt cheap... cmon guys why not .... besides, it could be the womans hadji rig. I can shoot them well too.
Those Yugo 8x57 mauser sniper rifles are the sheeit... I have been drooling over those for eons.

 

[joshuades]

The m76 (or at least the rebuilt ones for the states) have come down in price lately. Still out of my price range. I've never built an AK from parts, but may I suggest getting a riveter that someone designed for use on the AK. Don't know who makes them (and I'll have to ifnd out myself, getting a triangle folder stock and have to chop up the back of the reciever and put in the new trunion), but they're made from bolt cutters and the added leverage would be a treasure.

 

[borderpatrol]

I find it almost impossible to find complete parts kits anymore. The Bush administration banned their importation. The barrels must be cut prior to importation now. Formerly this would have a been a fun and inexpensive project. Now people are asking more and more money for shoddy kits. I believe all of the dealers are sold out. I purchase a "premium flat" whatever that means when they were just over $10.00 and never did a thing with it. Nice paperweight.

Unless you have a lot of sheet metal bending equipment the AK bending kits are usually $200+. Some people have pooled resources and shared the expense,then resold the kits used to recoup some of their investment. I would still like to build one just to say I did. I most certainly won't be buying some of the junk I see ifor sale. I really don't like the rifles because they are so inacurate and the sights are hideous.

 

[jerrykn]

Hi Black Lion,

AK's are fun and even though they aren't MOA accuracy wise they are defiatly minute of man out to 200 yds+.

I have built several rifles and pistols from AK kits(romanian and polish) I got before the latest import rules. Paid 99 for the Romanians and 170 for the polish kits .

I got a jig for bending flats to rec. Sold it when we were done and got my money back.

I bulit mine by tapping and screwing the trunions to the rec. Some only like using rivits since that is the way most were originally built. I thought the costs to get riviting tools and jigs plus a spot welder for attaching rails was a bit too much tool costs.
I suspect that there is not nearly as many building there own AK's due to the now extra costs for a new barrel along with the standard # of american made parts plus tooling.

I beleive I used AKForums for the basic how too info. There is plenty of how to info on the net.

I got some short term use of a small lathe and was able to cut down the barrels on a couple to make AK pistols (around 8" barrels) A fair amount of fabrication to the gas piston and tube but a fun little fire breather it is.
Now if only the price of 7.62x39 would go back down to 100 per thousand and I could afford the bump fire all day long.

You can bulid them at a pretty low cost if you can find complete kits (less rec) with very few tools and a bit of work. Try to find someone selling a older kit that has a matching kit complete with barrel so there are no concerns about headspacing.

Jerry

Jerry

 

[joshuades]

A lot of the rifles coming into the states now are made from US recievers and barrels. They are not put together especially well. The WASR 10 I have needed a bit of work done to it once I got it hime: sight tower was canted, trigger cutout wasn't cutout right, powder coat finish (who the hell tought that was a good idea), and the little things that make it shoot better. What's important to remember is the real deal is made cheaply, but not cheaply made like the things we get now.

 

[tbready]

I got 1. WASR-10, built it up full tactical w/ Samson rail and an Aimpoint Comp 2. My theory of the AK, tons of surplus ammo and doesn't need lubed or cleaned. This gun will keep you alive when the SHTF hands down. I absolutely love my 2 6.8's.

 

[Cold]

I am going to purchase an NP3 receiver from nodakspud.

That is where I will begin.

Anyone have experience here. Where should I accquire the barrel and necessary parts.
I know what trigger group, handguards, grip, stock and forend to get but thats it.

I have no clue what I am doing here.

IF YOU HAVE NO IDEA< find someone who does, my experience is as follows.
68forums team member and ARFCOMER bushboar and I built 4 at an AK build party with other ARFCOMERS.

We did 2 AK 74 bulgy kits and 2 AK 47 PRK yugo kits.

It is harder then expected, I think an AR 15 is far easier to build from scratch.

IN MY EXPERIENCE, you only save apporx 50-75 bucks building an AK versus buying one, if I did it again Id spend the extra 75 bucks and just buy the one I wanted, then waste my time demilling the kit, pressing the barrel out, re reviting stuff and fiddeling around with compliance parts. just my opinion.

 

[nf9648]

I really don't like the rifles because they are so inacurate and the sights are hideous.

Many a time I have contested AR shooters who detest the AK's capabilities by hitting whatever they shoot within 200m iron sights. Its no precision platform but its more than adequate for its intended purpose.

 

[joshuades]

The AK is fully capable of combat accuracy. Folks in the states normally don't like the AK because we have been in a culture where the rifle sights have had an apeture. The only thing I'm not fond of is to shoot out to 400m, you're resembling an artillery man.

I think Cold's advice is sound. It would be better to get an already built AK and modify it from there. My advice would also be to take the rifle entirely apart and get the metal parked or phosphated.

 

[dark1]

If you do build an AK thinking about using a Lightning bolt it is a new AK bolt that has a left side charging handle i like having a left hand charge gun so i can keep my hand on the pistol grip

http://www.coloradoshootingsports.com/AKIntro.html

 

[borderpatrol]

When I was much younger I could easily see the sights. Although they were too fine for my liking, the rear notch is way too narrow, but I could use them. As I have aged I can no longer see those sights. I can get the front to focus with glasses but the rear is a total blur. I have no problem seeing the foint sight on any US service rifle and the rear aperture does not need to be focused to shoot well. I guess this is just one more reason why young men fight all wars.

Even with a dot sight mounted on my AK and shooting off a bench they usually shoot 6" groups at 100 yards. Incredibly disappointing to me. I have been turned off by both problems. Are they reliable? You bet they are! But I would never use one to defend myself outside the confines of my house. I continue to own it because of it's historical significance. I formerly owned a PolyTech sheet metal version and it faired no better in the accuracy department. I sold it to buy this Legend hoping it would group better because of the milled receiver, no luck there either.

It has lingered in back of my safe for decades now because I've have no interest in shooting it. Only recently have I hauled it out to try one of Larue's Iron Dot sights. That's how I found out that the dot wouldn't help. They are what they are.

 

[warpig]

I've built a couple of Romy G's (riveted) and they're a ton of fun to build & shoot (I like to tinker + I rivet things together for a living). I you want to do serious training, either run an ultimak railed gas tube w/Aimpoint RDS or upgrade the irons to either Mojo, Krebs or XS Big Dot sights. Note: The Mojo windage & elevation adjustable rear sight is too fragile for serious use. I took Magpul Dynamics' Carbine II course with one on my rifle and the all of the adjustment screws came loose after the first day (all were secured with blue locktite).

I use the Tapco G2 single hook trigger parts kit, Tapco AK74 muzzle brake, Ohio Ordinance receiver & a KVAR stock set for my compliance parts

Folks poo poo the AK-47 but they are extremely rugged/reliable (I had no ammo related malfunctions after +1700 rds. during this class) and you don't have to worry about recovering the brass to reload . Most are capable of combat effective groups out to 300 yds. ("minute of man").

Good luck with your builds. Feel free to shoot me a PM if you have any questions. There's a ton of info about building on the AK47.net & AR15.com forums.

ETA: With the Mojo rear sight and XS Express tritium front sight, I can shoot 4" groups w/ Wolf ammo @ 100 yds. Plenty accurate for it's intended purpose.....

Jeff

 

[Cold]

I've built a couple of Romy G's (riveted) and they're a ton of fun to build & shoot (I like to tinker + I rivet things together for a living). I you want to do serious training, either run an ultimak railed gas tube w/Aimpoint RDS or upgrade the irons to either Mojo, Krebs or XS Big Dot sights. Note: The Mojo windage & elevation adjustable rear sight is too fragile for serious use. I took Magpul Dynamics' Carbine II course with one on my rifle and the all of the adjustment screws came loose after the first day (all were secured with blue locktite).

I use the Tapco G2 single hook trigger parts kit, Tapco AK74 muzzle brake, Ohio Ordinance receiver & a KVAR stock set for my compliance parts

Folks poo poo the AK-47 but they are extremely rugged/reliable (I had no ammo related malfunctions after +1700 rds. during this class) and you don't have to worry about recovering the brass to reload . Most are capable of combat effective groups out to 300 yds. ("minute of man").

Good luck with your builds. Feel free to shoot me a PM if you have any questions. There's a ton of info about building on the AK47.net & AR15.com forums.

ETA: With the Mojo rear sight and XS Express tritium front sight, I can shoot 4" groups w/ Wolf ammo @ 100 yds. Plenty accurate for it's intended purpose.....

Jeff

I agree with you, the AK is spooky reliable and is min of man accurate all day!

 

[joshuades]

I have to second that Mojo apeture sights make a big improvement in aimed fire on the AK. Have the basic, non-adjustable peep, and that one is fit to be on an AK. Most people who are disappointed with an AK are made so because they expect them to be as precise as the rifles built here, and that's just not the case. The AK was designed for basic combat effectiveness at engagement ranges by a people with different tactical ideologies. The rifle does what it was disigned to do, but it's not everyones cup of tea.

My suggestions would be to get a Mojo peep sight, and make sure it has a Warsaw legnth stock on it. Some people don't like the shorter stock, but it makes a great difference in how the rifle feels. The shorter stock makes for a more maneuverable rifle, even if it's not the most comfortable legnth. Also, the less weight you add to it, the better. Those plastic handguards with the plastic rails on them don't change the weight much, and you can't put anything like a bipod (or in the case of a top rail, an rds if you expect it to stay zeroed) on it, but the rails are good enough to put a flashlight or laser on it. Invest in a Pact rds that slips on the side scope rail as well as a plain 4x Pact scope (POSP with the Siminov 400m reticle, that reticle has simple graduations and less clutter than the 1000m ones). Also look into getting a flash hider for it (whatever floats your boat, I put a Vortex on mine). I've found the stock trigger works good enough on them if you give them a good polishing (and most trigger groups are case hardened much deeper than AR trigger groups, so don't be shy with the wheel and polish), good enough to get a good smooth pull and steady aim.

This turned into a longer post than i thought I'd do at the outset.

 

[BLACK LION]

IF YOU HAVE NO IDEA< find someone who does, my experience is as follows.
68forums team member and ARFCOMER bushboar and I built 4 at an AK build party with other ARFCOMERS.

We did 2 AK 74 bulgy kits and 2 AK 47 PRK yugo kits.

It is harder then expected, I think an AR 15 is far easier to build from scratch.

IN MY EXPERIENCE, you only save apporx 50-75 bucks building an AK versus buying one, if I did it again Id spend the extra 75 bucks and just buy the one I wanted, then waste my time demilling the kit, pressing the barrel out, re reviting stuff and fiddeling around with compliance parts. just my opinion.

This is my second time visiting the build idea... more often than not I am steered in the direction of just buying a off the shelf one instead... It may serve me even better if I get a used one through private party transfer.
I dont want an out of spec heap just for the luxury of saying I built it....

I got kinda aroused again when I saw the NDS3 receiver for 60.00 and found some compliance parts for pretty cheap. I knew I would use ultimak goodies and which trigger group I would get. My problem is I dont think I am prepared tool wise to take on the task...

I can shoot well with them and getting to an optimal standard is no biggie... they take a beating, run forever and cost is around .25 a shot or less depending on what I buy... one thing I like about the sks/ak is that they eat what you feed them and dotn complain about it... they get dirty and keep shooting.

What would be a good production AK ???

 

[tbready]

This is my second time visiting the build idea... more often than not I am steered in the direction of just buying a off the shelf one instead... It may serve me even better if I get a used one through private party transfer.
I dont want an out of spec heap just for the luxury of saying I built it....

I got kinda aroused again when I saw the NDS3 receiver for 60.00 and found some compliance parts for pretty cheap. I knew I would use ultimak goodies and which trigger group I would get. My problem is I dont think I am prepared tool wise to take on the task...

I can shoot well with them and getting to an optimal standard is no biggie... they take a beating, run forever and cost is around .25 a shot or less depending on what I buy... one thing I like about the sks/ak is that they eat what you feed them and dotn complain about it... they get dirty and keep shooting.

What would be a good production AK ???

Romanian WASR-10 works well for me.

 

[airdj10]

I have a WASR-10, great no frills rifle that I know will go bang, every time, without fail. I've heard the WASR reports of canted front sights and trigger slap but I must have got lucky as mine exibits none of these problems. Somewhere around the 4 MOA area with Wolf ammo. Slightly better with Corbon's awesome (but pricey) 7.62 defensive loading they've got.

If I was going to go all out I would get an AK from Krebs Custom. These guys aren't cheap, but they build the ultimate AK.
http://www.krebscustom.com/