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Here is a link to the text of the Grassley-Cruz Act otherwise known as the "Protecting Communities and Preserving the Second Amendment Act"



The bill addresses several things INCLUDING preventing the Government from performing another "Fast and Furious" type of operation as well as ensuring that the different parts of the Military and the Alphabet groups are properly using the NICS system.

It also corrects terminology from "Mentally defective" to "Mentally incompetent". Which is a good thing.

The part where it increases the penalties for attempting to "illegally buy firearms" is, imho, fluff. There are already very strict penalties for people who straw buy or are caught purchasing firearms "on the street".

There is also "incentive" for states that aren't currently using the NICS system for Mental Health Adjudications to use it or lose money that they are currently getting.
 

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Here is a link to the text of the Grassley-Cruz Act otherwise known as the "Protecting Communities and Preserving the Second Amendment Act"



The bill addresses several things INCLUDING preventing the Government from performing another "Fast and Furious" type of operation as well as ensuring that the different parts of the Military and the Alphabet groups are properly using the NICS system.

It also corrects terminology from "Mentally defective" to "Mentally incompetent". Which is a good thing.

The part where it increases the penalties for attempting to "illegally buy firearms" is, imho, fluff. There are already very strict penalties for people who straw buy or are caught purchasing firearms "on the street".

There is also "incentive" for states that aren't currently using the NICS system for Mental Health Adjudications to use it or lose money that they are currently getting.
Thank you for that learned information from the member from TX. Your research benefits us all, and greatly so. I don't believe you will ever have a perfect bill when it comes to this. Penalizing Law Abidding Citizens is not the answer.
 
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It should be noted that Colorado is a state that has it's OWN Background check system and doesn't report information into the NICS system.
From the fed website, all states use the NICS system to some extent.


 

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From the fed website, all states use the NICS system to some extent.


The problem is understanding what is meant by "using" the NICS system. Every state uses it to perform their background check. Not every state submits information into the NICS system. 13 states do NOT submit any information into the NICS system. That includes California, Colorado and Connecticut. Only 5 of the remaining 37 states fully submit their information to the NICS system. That information includes Felony Convictions, Mental Health Adjudications, and Drug Convictions. The other 32 states haphazardly enter information. And, as we found out after the Sutherland Springs shooting, the Federal Government hadn't submitted information into the system in over 4 years. That includes ALL branches of the Military and the Alphabet soups.
 

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I sent this to my two Demoncrap Senators today. As one was newly elected I modified the part about him supporting gun control but the other one has supported it and told me he did.

Feel free to use any part of it and change as you see fit.

Senator,

I have the sure fire way to stop the so called "gun violence" LET'S MAKE MURDER ILLEGAL. Making murder illegal will instantly make ALL criminals and psychotics immediately stop committing acts of violence.

This just shows how knee jerk reaction laws are totally ineffective at stoppng crime. Yes, any murder, be it one or twenty is unacceptable. However we hear no calls to stop people from traveling even as we have at least 4 bodies found at the Albuquerque Sunport with the perpetrator claiming to have murdered at least 11 other people in NM and has committed at least one of his 16 murders using a blunt instrument.

Of the estimated 16,425 murders in 2019, there were approximately 14,024 reported with known weapons. The CDC reports that 67,367 people died of drug overdoses in 2018. In 2019 the CDC reports that 39,440 people died from Unintentional Falls, 37,595 people died in Motor Vehicle wrecks (driver negligence in most cases so they are not accidents), 65,773 people died from Unintentional Poisonings. All these things far outstrip the murder rates by CRIMINALS.

It is estimated that somewhere close to 400,000,000 firearms are possessed by the citizens of the U.S. Yet using this number the percentage of those used in crime such as murder the number of firearms used in murders is less than 3 One Hundred Thousandths (3/100,000) of one percent. Many of the weapons used in a murder are frequently used in multiple murders so that drives the percentage even lower.

I know that you support so called gun control. But people are definitely the problem, yet you and too many people have bought into the media cries that an inanimate object is the problem and that people are not. In virtually every mass murder that makes the news the first call is for more gun control and NEVER an investigation as to WHY the individual committed the crime. In the cases where we can locate the information, of which most is suppressed, the perpetrator usually has a history of psychotic episodes, a history of drug abuse, or a history of being prescribed psychotropic medications. These people are not flagged in such a way as to be restricted under the MANY current laws.

There are currently over 20,000 gun control laws on the books and more being added each year. Yet the so called "gun violence" continues to grow at an alarming rate according to the media. This does not correspond with the information available in The FBI Uniform Crime Report each year. The FBI Uniform Crime Report shows that guns are the tool of choice in most murders but they are nowhere near the problem that the media would have people believe.

Of the known causes of murder for 2019 from FBI Uniform Crime Report data, over 26% DID NOT involve the use of a firearm. This leaves approximately 10,286 people murdered each year but the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration reports that in 2019 there were 10,142 people killed by Drunk Drivers. This is every bit as horrendous as murders of any kind yet most of the offenders never serve any prison time and there are no restrictions on them receiving a driver's license or being able to purchase a vehicle.

I know that FACTS only serve to confuse the issue and that they WILL be ignored to serve a driven agenda but I hope these things will weigh very heavily on your conscience.

 

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Talk to your state legislatures ,mo. House just passed a bill ,that is expected to make it to the governor , that will make any new federal gun law null in the state of Mo.
I may not move from the state after all... just within the state now...
 

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I may not move from the state after all... just within the state now...
Move to the ozarks . Ozark county is rural enough we don't have a walmart or fast food burger joint . Life is pretty laid back and rumor has it we may soon have a tourist season , not sure what the license will cost or what the daily limit will be .

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The present administration is waiting for another mass shooting to implement their assault weapons ban. They’ll just need 10 Rinos to jump on the band wagon to get it to pass. We have many that will bow to the mob with any kind of pressure or protest at their homes. With a country of 350 million and the freedoms it allows it’s only a matter of time another nut bag goes off and kills a couple dozen innocent individuals. The communist are very calculating in their plans and pray for another massacre to implement their insanity on disarmament of its people. Then millions, not hundreds, will die under their authoritarian rule and no real weapons to speak of to fight the tyranny.
Reads prophetically. 2 shootings just happened and MSM/dems are milking it.

you’d think the protests in Hong Kong and the coup in Myanmar would’ve disillusioned the useful idiot leftists that are convinced guns have “no place in a civil society”, but no. Guns f**k with the optics of their post-history worldview. Imagine trying to explain to one that might is still, indeed, right.

and only in clownworld could politicians be threatened with violence into voting to ban the means with which one would defend himself against threats of violence.
 

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Reads prophetically. 2 shootings just happened and MSM/dems are milking it.

you’d think the protests in Hong Kong and the coup in Myanmar would’ve disillusioned the useful idiot leftists that are convinced guns have “no place in a civil society”, but no. Guns f**k with the optics of their post-history worldview. Imagine trying to explain to one that might is still, indeed, right.

and only in clownworld could politicians be threatened with violence into voting to ban the means with which one would defend himself against threats of violence.
The DEMS are threatened because they know that an armed populace could easily remove and replace our government, reverting it back to the Constitution with some of the basic laws.. Not the bastardized ones where they believe that CRIMINALS have more rights than VICTIMS.
 

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Ninth Circuit Rules 2A Doesn't Protect Right To Bear Arms

http://www.courthousenes.com/carryi...t-a-constitutional-right-ninth-circuit-rules/

Ninth Circuit Rules 2A Doesn't Protect Right To Bear Arms

Can't carry canceled and can't carry openly. The colonist got it all wrong and we need to return to the time when the peasants showed proper respect to the government rather than the other way around. Such is the new reality now that one party believes they have the power of all three branches of government firmly behind them with the press and educational institutions vocally supporting their efforts.

Time will tell where it all leads but it would be a good time for second amendment supporters to contact their legislative representatives and to consider funding organizations that are still interested in defending rights defined by the Bill of Rights.
 

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Ninth Circuit Rules 2A Doesn't Protect Right To Bear Arms

http://www.courthousenes.com/carryi...t-a-constitutional-right-ninth-circuit-rules/

Ninth Circuit Rules 2A Doesn't Protect Right To Bear Arms

Can't carry canceled and can't carry openly. The colonist got it all wrong and we need to return to the time when the peasants showed proper respect to the government rather than the other way around. Such is the new reality now that one party believes they have the power of all three branches of government firmly behind them with the press and educational institutions vocally supporting their efforts.

Time will tell where it all leads but it would be a good time for second amendment supporters to contact their legislative representatives and to consider funding organizations that are still interested in defending rights defined by the Bill of Rights.
Still can't figure this out because I could have sworn that the SCOTUS ruling on DC v Heller stated that the 2A DOES allow the right to carry.



"Held:
1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home"
 

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Still can't figure this out because I could have sworn that the SCOTUS ruling on DC v Heller stated that the 2A DOES allow the right to carry.



"Held:
1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home"
Hence the issue. In Heller they said within the home. The issue here was public open carry. This was Young V. Hawaii.
 

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All this “interpretation” the constitution and bill of rights were written simply enough to not need this “interpration”- The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Pretty simple, the key word being bear, that tells me I can carry in public.
 

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I just saw a BS graph that claimed that there were more mass shootings under Trump than under Obama. Even though they used the correct definition (3+ deaths not including the perp) I know for a fact there were a lot more under Obama.
We need to be very skeptical/rejective of this "three deaths equals a mass shooting"- it is a clear tactic by the Left to inflate the "mass shooting" stats, because many gang/drug shootings will count - thus, mass shootings, which we know are more a function of serious mental health issues, will now be inflated/distorted with all the Chicago numbers, and use gang/drug street crime incidents to wildly inflate the numbers and justify new confiscation/control laws. This will wonderfully advance the Left's agenda while continuing to distract us from real solutions for two very different and distinct social policy crises and their true solutions.
 

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I am very skeptical about anything the left says. These are the same people who are trying to tell us there are more than two genders after all.
 

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We need to be very skeptical/rejective of this "three deaths equals a mass shooting"- it is a clear tactic by the Left to inflate the "mass shooting" stats, because many gang/drug shootings will count - thus, mass shootings, which we know are more a function of serious mental health issues, will now be inflated/distorted with all the Chicago numbers, and use gang/drug street crime incidents to wildly inflate the numbers and justify new confiscation/control laws. This will wonderfully advance the Left's agenda while continuing to distract us from real solutions for two very different and distinct social policy crises and their true solutions.
It’s not even 3 deaths. IIRC the new definition is 3 or more shot, not necessarily dead. They report certain shootings in the MSM to tug at people’s heartstrings/advance their agenda. Either school shootings, or when it’s a white guy with a scary rifle, things like that. It’s why there are news reports of a mass shooting maybe once every few months but they still say that we’ve had like 200 mass shootings this year and it’s only March. I remember seeing stat a couple years back, tracking the number of people killed in masse shootings ever since mass shootings were tracked in the mid 60’s. Something like 1200 people dead over the course of ~50 years or so. 1200, over 50 years, in a country of 330m. And useful idiots are convinced that That somehow warrants a full on ban/confiscation of guns, the source of all rights. Muh gubmint will protect you bro! Just call the cops! The irony of that is lost on them. The cops will protect your rights (if they do) using guns.
 

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We need to be very skeptical/rejective of this "three deaths equals a mass shooting"- it is a clear tactic by the Left to inflate the "mass shooting" stats, because many gang/drug shootings will count - thus, mass shootings, which we know are more a function of serious mental health issues, will now be inflated/distorted with all the Chicago numbers, and use gang/drug street crime incidents to wildly inflate the numbers and justify new confiscation/control laws. This will wonderfully advance the Left's agenda while continuing to distract us from real solutions for two very different and distinct social policy crises and their true solutions.
You have to remember, the goal is not to protect the public (IE, defund the Police), but to disarm the American people. You can't silence the constituents when they are armed. You can't bully 180,000,000 (the rest seem to want to be manipulated) people when they have the means to resist. Just look at Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mossolini, Mao and Pol Pot. Make promises you won't keep, disarm your peeps and then pull the rug out from under the peoples feet. Tell them it's for their own protection and then stab them in the back. I hate to say it, but if someone doesn't step up soon, (Trump tried to), this ship is going to sink. It's not to late, but we are taking in water (the communist type). The Communist have been trying to over run this country since the early 1900's (if not the late 1800's), this is the closest they have been. Now, they have the help of the tech industries/social media, the national media and big business. It's time to stop them. Let's not forget,United We Stand, Divided We Fall. The left has succeeded in dividing us.
 
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