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Lab radar day with son in law and my 18” ARP midweight 6.8 5r barrel gave me avg velocity of 2581fps for factory hornady sst 120 and the 110 hornady gave me 2688fps avg 😍❤
Even gave my ARP 223 wylde flutted 18” 5r barrel a run with winchester 5.56 m855 62gr for avg of 3131fps; all of these well beyond published factory velocities for their 16” barrels; was expecting 50fps or so for the extra 2 inches of barrel length
These are cost effective barrels with good velocity as stated on the ARP site
 

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My 18" ARP 5R is one of my favorite tubes. I would even say its the best barrel I have ever bought dollar for dollar as it shoots with some of my $450 and higher priced barrels.have fun, build a good algorithm for your shooting App and will find you have a 400 yard varmint rifle and longer for bigger targets.
 
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Lab radar day with son in law and my 18” ARP midweight 6.8 5r barrel gave me avg velocity of 2581fps for factory hornady sst 120 and the 110 hornady gave me 2688fps avg 😍❤
Even gave my ARP 223 wylde flutted 18” 5r barrel a run with winchester 5.56 m855 62gr for avg of 3131fps; all of these well beyond published factory velocities for their 16” barrels; was expecting 50fps or so for the extra 2 inches of barrel length
These are cost effective barrels with good velocity as stated on the ARP site
Forgot to add that i got 2842fps for factory hornady 75gr frontier with my ARP 18” 223 wylde. Hornady rates this as 2910 fps for 20” barrels …now I need time to check groups.
I would love to compare 3r and 5r velocity’s out of same box .. guess i should get some of the new 3r’s as i got my 5r’s a while ago
 

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Yeah i should have bought one of those 18-20in 223 barrels with the 5/8x24 thread pitch when i had the chance. @hdfireman make some more of those when you get the 223 stuff from H
Not in the near future but once everything smooths out and if there is a big enough want it’s something that could be looked at.
 

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Forgot to add that i got 2842fps for factory hornady 75gr frontier with my ARP 18” 223 wylde. Hornady rates this as 2910 fps for 20” barrels …now I need time to check groups.
I would love to compare 3r and 5r velocity’s out of same box .. guess i should get some of the new 3r’s as i got my 5r’s a while ago
I got pretty good results with mixed 55 and 68gr hornady Frontier with my 18" 3R
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Another of my long posts on OCD barrel prep and care:
Have one of the ARP 3R 20" 22 Nosler barrels and its screams top of velocity numbers for that tube length. Fire lapped as part of first couple of range sessions and my thin skinned bullets at stoopid velocity were loving that tube.Do not recommend this for most unless research subject well or you will ruin a barrel. Copper foul a barrel and keep shooting is a good way to cause damage. I never use the full kit and seldom if ever use all five grits. Based of my initial chamber cast and bore scope exam before barrel is ever mounted generally have an idea if its going to need fire lapping. Some I hand lap, some I fire lap, some both and others have my precision barrel guy lap. Some vendors lap barrels before ship and others offer lapping as a option. My chamber cast tells me if chamber may need polishing, is to slick (yes a chamber can be too smooth) or has a possible issue in neck/throat area..

With my bore scopes examine every inch of bore from end of chamber, the free bore area in front of rifling and on to muzzle. Use both a Lyman 22" digital and NGT150HW 26" bore scope as each has features I like.Having two allows me to keep one at work and home or carry to the range. Won't say one is better than the other but will say each does certain things differently but looking at a throat and bore using 3x magnification with pure white LED illumination will find tool marks, burrs and open pores in the steel. If those areas are not properly handled they will become copper grabbing nightmares that can ruin a barrels potential before its broken in. Buy barrels from three companies (stainless single point cut rifled air gauged...) that meticulously hand lap, inspect, lap, inspect till you get as perfect a bore as possible but that comes at a cost.

Take chamber casts of overbore hot-rod turn bolts every 500 rounds. A Lazzeroni Scramjet (0.257" bullet at 4,000+ fps) or 22 CHeetah (0.224" bullet at 4,000+ fps) has a pore begin to open in throat area with natural erosion, do not catch issue soon and treat, it can reduce the life of a 1,200 to 2,000 round barrel to 600 to 800 rounds. Have learned that the expensive way. Used to be a company called BlackStar that did microscopic "abrasion" treatment of barrels that cleaned them up sick as glass but not so slick you had a entirely different set of issues. Would send my barrels after chambering and profiling to BlackStar then have them cryogenic treated before mated to an action. Still a regular check with a bore scope after each cleaning and the 500 round (some barrels every 1,000 or 2,000 rounds) which compare to original tells you a lot.

Now video each barrel inspection and file in that rifles folder on my "gun computer" plus take still shots of areas and track wear visually along with gauges. Smooth over the tool marks, remove any burrs, close open pores or at least smooth that area and your starting with a barrel that can shoot to its real potential. Its one of the reasons my 18" ARP 5R 6.8 barrel is a first round cold bore coyote killer out to 450 yards. First its just a good barrel but it got treated like many would prep a $800 to $1,200 tube as once you learn a few tricks its fairly easy and cheap to properly prep a bore before it even starts break in then the tracking identifies any wear related issues that my begin to show and get that extra 400 or more rounds out of a very high strung cartridge or make a $250 to $300 barrel shoot better than most "barrel snobs" would expect. H has always provided good foundations but if prepped they want to act like barrels at twice the price point.

About Tubb Fire Lapping Kits:
The Tubb Final Finish Bore Polishing System is composed of a series of 50 bullets that are impregnated with 5 different progressively finer compounds. Enhances accuracy by polishing out bore imperfections. The smoother bore results in reduced fouling and less drag. Also makes the barrel much easier to clean. Removes no more than .0003" of metal from the bore and includes a reusable plastic case. This is not loaded ammunition. Reduced loads must be used when loading Final Finish Bullets. Bullets are made by Sierra. The grain weight of the bullets will be listed on the end of the package. Tubb recommends using the starting load listed in the Sierra reloading manual for that grain weight and bullet. Tubb also recommends not to go above the starting load for any reason.
Have never used all 500 bullets in all grits on a single barrel. Can usually prep four to five barrels out of a kit or say three then have enough left to "repair" flaws that appear with wear on a half dozen or more issues. Overdone or improperly done will ruin a barrel fire lapping before its broken in but based on every bore usually include fire lapping into intial break in and by the time those magic first 100 to 150 rounds are down the bore know have done all I can to give it its best chance to perform. The initial inspection will often show an issue that has to be addressed using a throating tool or some hand lapping before it gets even one round down the pipe. Yes I am OCD, ADD and lots of other malfunctions in one big bag of skin.

Same for torque, can buy a Ruger Mini 14, 10/22 or other firearms, shoot them our of the box or as acquired used and get a good idea of accuracy of the rifle using some very select test ammunition have found to be consistent for measuring potential of accuracy across a wide range of calibers in almost five decades of thinking like an engineer and a mechanic. Can disassemble a Mini 14 or 10/22, reassemble using torque wrench to properly torque all the screws in a Mini's gas block, screws that mate action to stock and others swapping zero parts to pick up 1/2 to 1 MOA, lap the bore and find some more and suddenly its not shooting like a Mini 14 or Walmart 10/22. (as an aside you can convert a Mini 14 trigger to binary and back with a staple or small piece of stiff wire)

Have the best luck making ARP barrels out shoot their MSRP of any tube out there. Can buy better to much better out of the box but comes with a MSRP to match its ability. Oddly have bought 80% of my ARP barrels from discussion groups and other internet secondary sellers. Buy mix of lightly used to purchased new but never built. Have a 16" (least favorite length) ARP 6.8 barrel that carries a night vision scope (even in 5.56 and 308 most of my N.V. is on 16" barrels) that before it got the 4x Gen 2+ CGT Starlight parked was shooting 5/8" in the testing and break in with my normal test scope (old early year 8-24x Horus Raptor) and had some honest 1/2" five shot from the mag groups as testing and break in ended. Have a 16" 5.56 White Oak Armament build with a 6x Gen 2+ WPT and a 16" AR 10 in 308 with a 6x Gen 2+ WPT (Gen 2+ WPT tested well as many Gen 3s and was best of the Gen 2+ IMO) staged out of the vault along with a Day/Night and Thermals.

A chamber cast, bore scope inspection, run trigger across Hammer & Sear Jig using test fit plate, square upper, torque wrench pass, treat bore based on inspection and have taken $399 Smith & Wesson M&P 15s people would swear is a $1,000 or more price point rifle. Sometimes wonder if some guns are assembled sloppily to encourage buyers to spend money on upgrade parts. How many buy a Ruger BX-25 trigger for their 10'22 when ten minutes with a Hammer & Sear jig plus $15 in springs will result in better trigger than a BX? Some days wish I were a gun smith and could help folks out but it would be hard to make a living charging 90 minutes labor and $20 in parts to get a happy stick. Of course many would want more than correcting factory sloppiness. Know one smith that does this, goes through factory turn bolts, installs one part makes himself but takes it apart, squares and fits every part, reassembles and returns your factory rifle with factory parts and it is truly a full custom rifle.
 
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Lab radar day with son in law and my 18” ARP midweight 6.8 5r barrel gave me avg velocity of 2581fps for factory hornady sst 120 and the 110 hornady gave me 2688fps avg
Very nice! As a point of comparison, 3-4 months ago I shot the same ammo with my Bison 18" (4-groove button rifling, 1:10), and averaged 2525 fps (N=10 shots; SD 7 fps, ES 24 fps). So between the chamber and rifling difference--and perhaps a bit of temperature--you've got an additional 55 fps...which would be kind of like going to a 20" Bison barrel. Speed measured with Magnetospeed.j
Thanks for sharing.
 

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Very nice! As a point of comparison, 3-4 months ago I shot the same ammo with my Bison 18" (4-groove button rifling, 1:10), and averaged 2525 fps (N=10 shots; SD 7 fps, ES 24 fps). So between the chamber and rifling difference--and perhaps a bit of temperature--you've got an additional 55 fps...which would be kind of like going to a 20" Bison barrel. Speed measured with Magnetospeed.j
Thanks for sharing.
I wonder if the 5r is slightly better on friction or if that and/or variance in ammo but either way im pleased with performance of these barrel n contours that are not over heavy n and all the work ARP has done to make things improved and as good as possible for users and cost effective
 

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I wonder if the 5r is slightly better on friction or if that and/or variance in ammo but either way im pleased with performance of these barrel n contours that are not over heavy n and all the work ARP has done to make things improved and as good as possible for users and cost effective
I forgot to add temp the day of testing was 79 and we kept ammo out of sun and elevation was approx 860ft above sea level that may have influenced differences the velocity
 

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Yeah i should have bought one of those 18-20in 223 barrels with the 5/8x24 thread pitch when i had the chance. @hdfireman make some more of those when you get the 223 stuff from H
I have 4 ARP barrels but (I think) only two of them came directly from ARP. TAC6 and probably one of the last 18" .223 barrels that were threaded 5/8x24. I got lucky on the last one.
 

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5R from three different vendors seem to always perform well for me. The 3R seem to be a bit faster but the 5R more consistent in repeatability on target. Spent two hours last night entering data from a newish barrel in my shooting app. Put in muzzle velocity from four different trips to range at different temperatures which defines temperate sensitivity factor so app gives better solutions based on temperature and other weather factors. Out of habit generally use my Oehler 35P for the proof channel to get my base muzzle velocity readings as the proof channel makes me feel more secure, its easier to set up than my Ohleher 43 and can't justify a Oehler 89 right now.

Now have three of the Caldwell Ballistic Precision Chronograph kits. They are pretty precise and if I shoot one not much is lost. Do not use them to get velocity as much as velocity loss. Will set one up at muzzle, another at 100 yards and measure velocity drop. Have carefully set them up at 200 and even 250 yards (need really good range finder, wind flags and have good idea of drop to align them and not shoot one) and then measure loss at longer distances. With some of my flatter shooting turn bolts have aligned all three to get velocity reading at muzzle, 100 and 200 of a string but its tedious and will shoot one some day but is cheaper than a $3,000 Model 89 and helps remove the error of guessing velocity/drop based on published BC but correct a bullets BC for your exact rifle.

This kit includes everything included in the standard Ballistic Precision Chronograph package (product #626107) with a few add ons to make it even better. The chronograph will provide an accurate velocity reading from speeds of 5 to 9,999 fps within .25% accuracy. Caldwell achieved this level of accuracy by using a high speed 48 MHz processor and calibrating every unit after assembly before it leaves the factory.

The chronograph also remains simple to use giving a readout of velocity in Feet per second or Meters per second on a large LCD screen. Extra wide sun screens are included for shading in full sun operation along with a 1/4-20 threaded insert on the bottom of the housing for use with a tripod (included).

For shooters looking to fully take advantage of this chrono, this unit includes a 15' audio jack cable which can be plugged into a mobile device to deliver shot string velocity data. A free app is available for download that displays the velocity of each shot on the phone screen and records it with other data identifying the load and the environment conditions. The app also automatically calculates Average Velocity, Standard Deviation, Min, Max and Velocity Spread for the shot string. The data is stored and can be exported via email or simply recalled for reference at a later date. This data is stored and can easily be exported through email or SMS messaging or simply stored for recall on a later date. Take your shooting to the next level with the Ballistic Precision Chronograph by Caldwell.
Have taken to leaning on a handheld ballistics computer that links to my anemometer and laser range finder via Bluetooth to range a varmint then before I can settle into my rifle the solution for shot is displayed in device held to side of rifle next to scope. line up coyote, ground hog, crow, etc in scope per image on screen and if your temperature sensitivity factor, velocity and B.C. are all well corrected with real measurements rather than calculated in modeling software first round hits go way up or miss so close can correct for second shot in head quickly.

More consistent the bore and ammo the better this works and why ARP are the least expensive tubes I will build as properly prepped and maintained they will generally be consistent. Hope the ARP line continues to include 5.56, 22 Nosler and others.
 

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5R from three different vendors seem to always perform well for me. The 3R seem to be a bit faster but the 5R more consistent in repeatability on target. Spent two hours last night entering data from a newish barrel in my shooting app. Put in muzzle velocity from four different trips to range at different temperatures which defines temperate sensitivity factor so app gives better solutions based on temperature and other weather factors. Out of habit generally use my Oehler 35P for the proof channel to get my base muzzle velocity readings as the proof channel makes me feel more secure, its easier to set up than my Ohleher 43 and can't justify a Oehler 89 right now.

Now have three of the Caldwell Ballistic Precision Chronograph kits. They are pretty precise and if I shoot one not much is lost. Do not use them to get velocity as much as velocity loss. Will set one up at muzzle, another at 100 yards and measure velocity drop. Have carefully set them up at 200 and even 250 yards (need really good range finder, wind flags and have good idea of drop to align them and not shoot one) and then measure loss at longer distances. With some of my flatter shooting turn bolts have aligned all three to get velocity reading at muzzle, 100 and 200 of a string but its tedious and will shoot one some day but is cheaper than a $3,000 Model 89 and helps remove the error of guessing velocity/drop based on published BC but correct a bullets BC for your exact rifle.



Have taken to leaning on a handheld ballistics computer that links to my anemometer and laser range finder via Bluetooth to range a varmint then before I can settle into my rifle the solution for shot is displayed in device held to side of rifle next to scope. line up coyote, ground hog, crow, etc in scope per image on screen and if your temperature sensitivity factor, velocity and B.C. are all well corrected with real measurements rather than calculated in modeling software first round hits go way up or miss so close can correct for second shot in head quickly.

More consistent the bore and ammo the better this works and why ARP are the least expensive tubes I will build as properly prepped and maintained they will generally be consistent. Hope the ARP line continues to include 5.56, 22 Nosler and others.
Lab radar gives you a full tracking on the projectile out to 100 yards. Just an FYI. I use a caldwell nyself about 6 feet from my muzzle.
 

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Oh I love my 18" 3R CLE chamber ARP barrel. With an AGB and a SI King comp there is zero felt recoil, even using hornady Frontier ammo. Its my best build and my new favorite.
This one??? King Comp (strikeindustries.com)
I got an 18" build going for this season, I'm all about low recoil ... ARP of course
 

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This one??? King Comp (strikeindustries.com)
I got an 18" build going for this season, I'm all about low recoil ... ARP of course
Yep. I have that on both my 5.56 and 6.8. Its about a 60% reduction in recoil. Pew Pew Tactical did a long series on muzzle devices. They actually tried to measure and quantify the performance. The King comp was one towards the top and definitely the most affordable option.
 
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