[amram]

I recently bought a stripped lower receiver from Jon Kruger of Anvil Arms (http://www.anvilarms.com/p-326-registered-pistol-lower-receiver.aspx) with the intention of building a AR-type of pistol – 10.5” barrel, 15-round magazine, no stock (only the buffer tube of course), compensator not a suppressor. Engraved clearly and in white, on the receiver are the words, “Registered Pistol”. When I picked up said lower from my local FFL (local cop-supply shop manned by former LEOs) it was recorded as a pistol.

It was (and remains) my understanding that as long as it complies with the state "assault rifle" no-nos, AND has no stock, it fits the NJ statutory definition of a "handgun":

"Handgun" means any pistol, revolver, or other firearm originally designed or manufactured to be fired by the use of a single hand.

State of New Jersey:TITLE 13. LAW AND PUBLIC SAFETY CHAPTER 54. FIREARMS AND WEAPONS

However, before I go spending my devaluing dollars on the upper, I need to know if it would be in violation of the state law to possess such a firearm. A careful reading of the relevant pages on the web that I could find lead me to believe that such a firearm would be legal, but I wouldn't be surprised if the yahoos that run this state can decide that something is "ex post facto" or retroactively illegal.

I know, I know, "Find a competent attorney" you'll say -- is there such a one in the state who knows his elbow/anus ? Louis Nappen -- son of THE "gun-lawyer" in NJ, responded to my email in a way that led me to believe that either he didn't read it, or is deep in heavy cover-ass mode (emails are not client-attorney privileged), or he's a "pay-me-and-maybe-I'll-tell-you" lawyer.

I was also counseled by "gun store guy" to write a letter to the Attorney General of NJ to tell him what I have planned to see if his office responds. Might be a good idea -- send it certified mail and all that -- to rely on the "silence means consent" theory in the event that trouble arise from a zealous but ignorant LEO. On the other hand, one should let sleeping dogs lie, eh?

Ideas?

 

[paulosantos]

I'd call:

Ray's Sport Shop

(908) 561-4400
559 US-22
North Plainfield, NJ

 

[Test_User]

I recently bought a stripped lower receiver from Jon Kruger of Anvil Arms (http://www.anvilarms.com/p-326-registered-pistol-lower-receiver.aspx) with the intention of building a AR-type of pistol – 10.5” barrel, 15-round magazine, no stock (only the buffer tube of course), compensator not a suppressor. Engraved clearly and in white, on the receiver are the words, “Registered Pistol”. When I picked up said lower from my local FFL (local cop-supply shop manned by former LEOs) it was recorded as a pistol.

It was (and remains) my understanding that as long as it complies with the state "assault rifle" no-nos, AND has no stock, it fits the NJ statutory definition of a "handgun":

"Handgun" means any pistol, revolver, or other firearm originally designed or manufactured to be fired by the use of a single hand.

State of New Jersey:TITLE 13. LAW AND PUBLIC SAFETY CHAPTER 54. FIREARMS AND WEAPONS

However, before I go spending my devaluing dollars on the upper, I need to know if it would be in violation of the state law to possess such a firearm. A careful reading of the relevant pages on the web that I could find lead me to believe that such a firearm would be legal, but I wouldn't be surprised if the yahoos that run this state can decide that something is "ex post facto" or retroactively illegal.

I know, I know, "Find a competent attorney" you'll say -- is there such a one in the state who knows his elbow/anus ? Louis Nappen -- son of THE "gun-lawyer" in NJ, responded to my email in a way that led me to believe that either he didn't read it, or is deep in heavy cover-ass mode (emails are not client-attorney privileged), or he's a "pay-me-and-maybe-I'll-tell-you" lawyer.

I was also counseled by "gun store guy" to write a letter to the Attorney General of NJ to tell him what I have planned to see if his office responds. Might be a good idea -- send it certified mail and all that -- to rely on the "silence means consent" theory in the event that trouble arise from a zealous but ignorant LEO. On the other hand, one should let sleeping dogs lie, eh?

Ideas?

I would not go sending stuff to the attorney general and giving them any new ideas on stuff to ban or that people can do this and still be in compliance as they are a gun grabbing state with weird laws. I would go with Paulo's suggestion and also it doesn't take much to look at the laws and know if its OK. If you have all the pertinent law a and you comply for sure with them then I would go for it. Everyone wants to freak jsut because it came form an AR./ IN a pistol format unless it has a clause about rifle caliber handguns it is absolutely no different then any other gas operated handgun that has a mag. Its a handgun. It was registered as a handgun. It doesn't have a flash suppressor etc.. That makes it a legal handgun. IT woudl also be legal if it was a rifle with a stock and not a pistol if you lengthen the barrel so.......

Fact is if the Gov every wants to jerk you around whether they have cause or not even a shred of evidence they will.

 

[Test_User]

Had an idea. Call up Olyimpic Arms and ask them if they can sell there AR pistols in NJ. AS they have the lawyers etc to know. Call them up and ask if you can order one of their AR pistols and have it sent to a NJ FFL.

 

[paulosantos]

Also calling up Bushmaster is a big help. They know what the laws are and are very helpful.

 

[amram]

This just in!

In wacky NJ, "a semi-auto pistol with an ability to accept a detachable magazine can not have two (2) or more of the following features:

1. An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip.
2. A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip or silencer.
3. A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned.
4. A manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded."

It's that 50oz upper limit that gonna be hard to meet! And I guess that they want you to burn yourself. serves you right, you gun nut!

 

[Test_User]

What did I say about NJ's unconstitutional laws and twisted ideas Its all the toxins in the water up there. What I don't get is why some many people live there. Most densely populated state in the US. I had to be sure to have at least 2 stated between me and them just in case it is contagious. The second I saw that NJ residents are not considered intelligent enough to even pump there own gas I ran and ran and ran and ran and didn't stop till I crossed the Mason Dixon Line where things made more sense.Notice how all your Socialist tree huggin lets all sit around singing kumbaya run states are only in the North and West coast. I think we need to setup a new set of longitude and latitude lines and call it the Constitution line. If you cross it there is no Constitution on the other side.