I've heard that the focus will be to get the initial release in the various 5.56 versions out ASAP. The barrel is a modified AR barrel with QD capability, and "they" say at a later unspecified date, ACR conversion kits for 7.62 X 39 and 6.8 will be released.Glock20man said:Any word on when these will be hitting store shelves? Manufacturer's website references Q1 of 2009 (Oct 08 or Jan 09?). I presume that this release date will be for 5.56. Anyone have any ideas on the 6.8 version? Thanks.
mdlestat, I know exactly how you feel. I first heard about the Masada/ACR in 2005 or '06, and started saving for one haphazardly in '07 when I heard they were coming out. By late '08 I had had enough (had plenty of $$ and had waited long enough) and discovered this board and ARP. Would still be willing to buy one but I've spent my money on an ARP upper, Spike's lower, and some related goodies. I don't have an uneasy feeling about draining the gun fun fund since I figure that I have plenty of time to build it back up before the ACR sees the light of day, if ever. I followed a couple ACR threads on ARFCOM for a year or so, even check back occasionally for a laugh. Damn what a great concept, but you can't find much worse examples of follow-through or business acumen. (Any mfr could be selling ACRs for ~$2K these days, no doubt!)One man's perspective:
Funny it's been so long since this was posted, and the ACR is still vaporware--with no end in sight.
Sorry to resurrect the thread, but I was a huge fan of this thing... and have to admit that I've long since given up on it.
I can only afford one rifle for the long-foreseeable future (I'm one of those poor saps that has very little money left after the end of any given month), and I'm happy to have decided on a MK68-centered build from ARP-- I'll be using the well-proven AR format that has the added benefit of...well...actually existing in the real world.
I am thrilled and excited about it, and know I will not regret the choice.
But if I could have bought an ACR, I would have in an instant. I never even would have found ARP.
Did Magpul screw themselves out of untold thousands of sales to other people like me (us lightweights that will probably be satisfied or financially restrained to a one-rifle buy) that are/have been buying in reaction/anticipation to the current global govt/economic situation over the last year?
Absolutely. I wager they're not going to get another chance with most casual buyers, because we'll have bought whatever we could get when we needed it.
While I can't "technically" blame Magpul for the years-long "delays" of release, it seems to me that they appear to have ignored the civilian market entirely to focus on mil/gov. Sucks, because they touted the ever-living hell out of it for so long, to just yank out the rug and go silent for almost 2 years.
They have had an essentially finished product for at least a year and a half, right? Little tweaks here and there do NOT hang up production for that long--especially when you have the engineering skill and resources of two solid companies like Magpul and BM (haters acknowledged--but c'mon--really: BM is a mostly strong company)
So can we blame them for going for the hundred-thousand-rifle gov contracts(or whatever), knowing that there's a chance that our guys in uniform could end up toting these (superior) rifles into battle before us?
No, not in that sense--
But when, as a civvie, I can and do see that Magpul seems to have the same inability to bring other products to market (Why can't I buy a UBR right now, Magpul? What's your problem there?) it changes the situation-- now it's multiple popular products that the company can't seem to get into the hands of willing customers.
Ugh. It's frustrating.
Perhaps they might should have stuck to what they're good at-- magazines-- they are A-1 with those-- and license other big-dog manufacturers to build the product lines they can't get done in-house, like the UBR.
This is done every single day in countless industries.
Whatever avenue they choose, it would keep Magpul from getting further infected with the vaporware reputation it is getting in some quarters. I know they have some good reasons--and I know many people could care less about the setbacks and scarcity of their stuff-- but really, we're asking no more than to hold them to their own word about their product availability.
The new July American Rifleman arrived in my mailbox today. The SCAR is on the cover with corresponding articles on the SCAR program, and the civilian SCAR 16s.I was at the last SHOT show in Orlando... quoted dealer price for a Civilian SCAR is $2,200.
I don't know about everyone else here... but even 1,500 is a MAJOR stretch for me for an entire weapon...
Until the dealer price is more in line with AR prices, no one is going to sell a lot of anything (SCAR, ACR, XCR, MSAR, TPD AXR, etc) in comparison to an AR platform gun.
That being said, I am more than willing to pay good money for something that is better than a standard AR... but it still has to be affordable.